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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #30 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:31pm

Chanting the mantra: ' All you have are choices between Libs and Labor'

Fortunately this forum is extremely under patronised

No surprise

The Paid-to-Post desperates seem to consider this home

Australia moves straight past it

Virtually nowhere in this forum -- be it this weekend or other -- is there any serious discussion of alternative parties

The 'why' is obvious

Blunt tools being paid paltry shekels to chant the mantra
' Your choices are Libs or Labor'

Change is coming. Has to come. Even dumbclucks realise now that there is NO DIFFERENCE between the pretend two fake-parties

Aussies are active now in massive international fora

They see what the fake two party system did to the US and UK, etc.

Aussies know who's behind it

Aussies are waking up

Which is why the panic to control thought and speech by Gillard on instruction from her owners

You think it's done? No, Abbott will continue the agenda if he lucks in. Abbott is owned by the same scum who own Gillard

We shouldn't be paying politicians because they're simply middle-men for the middle-men. Australia is run and controlled from offshore

Aussies know it and are telling their friends

I will never vote for Abbott. Abbott was the guy who organised the destruction of Pauline Hanson

Pauline Hanson remains popular

Other Pauline's are in the wings

The worse the abuses by the fake two party system, the more the population will demand and create alternatives

If Australia's defacto rulers attempt to suppress it, it will grow ever more rapidly

Ironically, it's migrants who lead the charge against further migration. The 'racist', 'racism' BS will be laughed into oblivion as Aussies and migrants join ranks against the true enemies of this land

The most strident opposition to the current fake two party system comes from migrants

It's gone as far as it can go. No one wants Gillard or Abbott nor Libs nor Labor. They're old sandshoes that people want to see tossed in the trash

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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #32 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:45pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

Lobo wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Onya, Tones.....

So?

Aren't all the scare mongering and crystal ball predictions done to educate and change peoples way of thinking?

Do you want stoic politicians that can't absorb information and change their thinking for the best?

Undecided

There is no problem in someone's thinking being changed. But how many times? And with that, surely it isn't just the thinking but also the policies that go with that should change? ANd yet here is a simply case of Tony trying to make sure he doesn't say something stupid. He did, and he quickly changed it. But the policy didn't follow so we know his original stupid thought is what he actually beleives.

And how many times can one say, "in hindsight", before we get sick of it and realise the guy's a dill?

Thought you were talking about the Mining tax, Carbon Tax, Media laws.

All policies that changed, some that just failed, some to placate the formation of government, that apply to the opening lines of your post.

And as you may have noticed, I am not a fan of the Gillard approach either, and have ssaid many times they shouldn't have pampered on the mining tax but kept the original design. But what you're suggesting consistently by always bringing it back to Gillard is that you want the same approach to conitnue, under Abbott. and that I don't think is the right way forward. At all. Hence why I say, NO to Gillard, and NO to Tony.

Gillard's the PM....

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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #33 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:48pm

FriYAY wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

Lobo wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Onya, Tones.....

So?

Aren't all the scare mongering and crystal ball predictions done to educate and change peoples way of thinking?

Do you want stoic politicians that can't absorb information and change their thinking for the best?

Undecided

There is no problem in someone's thinking being changed. But how many times? And with that, surely it isn't just the thinking but also the policies that go with that should change? ANd yet here is a simply case of Tony trying to make sure he doesn't say something stupid. He did, and he quickly changed it. But the policy didn't follow so we know his original stupid thought is what he actually beleives.

And how many times can one say, "in hindsight", before we get sick of it and realise the guy's a dill?

Thought you were talking about the Mining tax, Carbon Tax, Media laws.

All policies that changed, some that just failed, some to placate the formation of government, that apply to the opening lines of your post.

And as you may have noticed, I am not a fan of the Gillard approach either, and have ssaid many times they shouldn't have pampered on the mining tax but kept the original design. But what you're suggesting consistently by always bringing it back to Gillard is that you want the same approach to conitnue, under Abbott. and that I don't think is the right way forward. At all. Hence why I say, NO to Gillard, and NO to Tony.

Gillard's the PM....

Not for much longer. And if you are looking for a real alternative, then you shouldn't try to compare that alternative to Gillard based on the same characteristics. Rather, you should hope to aim higher. "Tony's okay because Gillard does it too" is NOT how to judge an alternative.

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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #34 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:02pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

Lobo wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Onya, Tones.....

So?

Aren't all the scare mongering and crystal ball predictions done to educate and change peoples way of thinking?

Do you want stoic politicians that can't absorb information and change their thinking for the best?

Undecided

There is no problem in someone's thinking being changed. But how many times? And with that, surely it isn't just the thinking but also the policies that go with that should change? ANd yet here is a simply case of Tony trying to make sure he doesn't say something stupid. He did, and he quickly changed it. But the policy didn't follow so we know his original stupid thought is what he actually beleives.

And how many times can one say, "in hindsight", before we get sick of it and realise the guy's a dill?

Thought you were talking about the Mining tax, Carbon Tax, Media laws.

All policies that changed, some that just failed, some to placate the formation of government, that apply to the opening lines of your post.

And as you may have noticed, I am not a fan of the Gillard approach either, and have ssaid many times they shouldn't have pampered on the mining tax but kept the original design. But what you're suggesting consistently by always bringing it back to Gillard is that you want the same approach to conitnue, under Abbott. and that I don't think is the right way forward. At all. Hence why I say, NO to Gillard, and NO to Tony.

Gillard's the PM....

Not for much longer. And if you are looking for a real alternative, then you shouldn't try to compare that alternative to Gillard based on the same characteristics. Rather, you should hope to aim higher. "Tony's okay because Gillard does it too" is NOT how to judge an alternative.

The comparison is yours, i have just expanded on it. leftrightrightleft.....

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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #35 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:04pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

What other choice then? Citizen electoral council?

Necessity, mother of invention

Other choices will emerge

There will be confusion, yes. There will be fallout. But eventually (measured in today's sped-up time frame) viable alternatives will emerge & will be supported

Wiki lists those parties, big in their day, which fell by the wayside

Libs and Labor both are resolutely out of touch with the people

Australia's changed. It deserves politicians and parties which reflect the changes

The people will determine the future of politics. And the people are dismissive of the media's belief it has the power to 'form and shape' public opinion. The media's as much on the nose as politics/politicians. No surprise. They're all from the same stable

Abbott-Libs, Gillard-Labour both stink in the opinion of voters. Both corrupt. Both guilty of rank mismanagement. Both infantile in behaviours and policies

Sure, one of the supposed Big Two (but in actuality ONE) will get through the next election. But today more than ever before, people do not elect a party to govern. Instead, voters elect to rid themselves of the other. And it's been that way for a long time

Howard claimed (like so many after him) that voters had handed him a mandate to do this, do that. No. Weasel Howard got in because it was the only way to get rid of the previous slimeball. Labor didn't 'win' over the Libs. It was the only way to be rid of Howard. On and on. People are weary of what's on offer. Weariness becomes outrage. The world hasn't really seen an outraged Australia. It's past time ...

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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #36 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:25pm

PZ547 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

What other choice then? Citizen electoral council?

Necessity, mother of invention

Other choices will emerge

There will be confusion, yes. There will be fallout. But eventually (measured in today's sped-up time frame) viable alternatives will emerge & will be supported

Wiki lists those parties, big in their day, which fell by the wayside

Libs and Labor both are resolutely out of touch with the people

Australia's changed. It deserves politicians and parties which reflect the changes

The people will determine the future of politics. And the people are dismissive of the media's belief it has the power to 'form and shape' public opinion. The media's as much on the nose as politics/politicians. No surprise. They're all from the same stable

Abbott-Libs, Gillard-Labour both stink in the opinion of voters. Both corrupt. Both guilty of rank mismanagement. Both infantile in behaviours and policies

Sure, one of the supposed Big Two (but in actuality ONE) will get through the next election. But today more than ever before, people do not elect a party to govern. Instead, voters elect to rid themselves of the other. And it's been that way for a long time

Howard claimed (like so many after him) that voters had handed him a mandate to do this, do that. No. Weasel Howard got in because it was the only way to get rid of the previous slimeball. Labor didn't 'win' over the Libs. It was the only way to be rid of Howard. On and on. People are weary of what's on offer. Weariness becomes outrage. The world hasn't really seen an outraged Australia. It's past time ...

Hi mellie!

Wink

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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #37 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:33pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:25pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

What other choice then? Citizen electoral council?

Necessity, mother of invention

Other choices will emerge

There will be confusion, yes. There will be fallout. But eventually (measured in today's sped-up time frame) viable alternatives will emerge & will be supported

Wiki lists those parties, big in their day, which fell by the wayside

Libs and Labor both are resolutely out of touch with the people

Australia's changed. It deserves politicians and parties which reflect the changes

The people will determine the future of politics. And the people are dismissive of the media's belief it has the power to 'form and shape' public opinion. The media's as much on the nose as politics/politicians. No surprise. They're all from the same stable

Abbott-Libs, Gillard-Labour both stink in the opinion of voters. Both corrupt. Both guilty of rank mismanagement. Both infantile in behaviours and policies

Sure, one of the supposed Big Two (but in actuality ONE) will get through the next election. But today more than ever before, people do not elect a party to govern. Instead, voters elect to rid themselves of the other. And it's been that way for a long time

Howard claimed (like so many after him) that voters had handed him a mandate to do this, do that. No. Weasel Howard got in because it was the only way to get rid of the previous slimeball. Labor didn't 'win' over the Libs. It was the only way to be rid of Howard. On and on. People are weary of what's on offer. Weariness becomes outrage. The world hasn't really seen an outraged Australia. It's past time ...

Hi mellie!

Wink

Mellie deserves to speak, just as aussie does Wink

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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #38 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:37pm

PZ547 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

What other choice then? Citizen electoral council?

Howard claimed (like so many after him) that voters had handed him a mandate to do this, do that. No. Weasel Howard got in because it was the only way to get rid of the previous slimeball.

Yeah, but then he got in again, ummmm and again after that.....

And if he had handed over to Costello the Libs may have got in again....

Soooooooo......oh never mind......

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Unbelievable Reply #39 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:42pm Aussie wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:25pm: PZ547 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:04pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:34pm: What other choice then? Citizen electoral council? Hi mellie! Oh FFS..... I thought i was this dam Mellie....
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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #40 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:47pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

That the man the Howard government hid from the media and public two elections ago because he was such an extreme right wing nutter is on the cusp of leading the coalition to victory.
He hasn't changed, so what has?

skippy skippy, you have NOTHING to fear, tony is a big spending, big government DLP type politician. its small business that needs to worry about tony. our problem is he's just a dumb populist. he and gillard will go down as the worst and second worst pm's in australian history. i 4 years they'll be writing books debating who was worse. the jury will be split Wink

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Reply #41 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:05pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

That the man the Howard government hid from the media and public two elections ago because he was such an extreme right wing nutter is on the cusp of leading the coalition to victory.
He hasn't changed, so what has?

skippy skippy, you have NOTHING to fear, tony is a big spending, big government DLP type politician. its small business that needs to worry about tony. our problem is he's just a dumb populist. he and gillard will go down as the worst and second worst pm's in australian history. i 4 years they'll be writing books debating who was worse. the jury will be split Wink

I actually agree. Abbott is a populist, where as I don't believe Gillard is. I don't think she is a great PM by any means. But her whole party need to take a good long look at itself. Any party that surrenders leadership of this country to Abbott has major problems. He was never ever meant to be anything but a spoiler against Turnbull and Rudd, but Labor played him into the game. Look he's the luckiest smacking dimwit since Billy McMahon to stumble upon the PMship by being in the right place at the right time.

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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #42 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:05pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

That the man the Howard government hid from the media and public two elections ago because he was such an extreme right wing nutter is on the cusp of leading the coalition to victory.
He hasn't changed, so what has?

skippy skippy, you have NOTHING to fear, tony is a big spending, big government DLP type politician. its small business that needs to worry about tony. our problem is he's just a dumb populist. he and gillard will go down as the worst and second worst pm's in australian history. i 4 years they'll be writing books debating who was worse. the jury will be split Wink

I agree and no matter who gets in we will suffer the same fate as Europe and the America's. A recession bordering on depression.

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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #43 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:06pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

That the man the Howard government hid from the media and public two elections ago because he was such an extreme right wing nutter is on the cusp of leading the coalition to victory.
He hasn't changed, so what has?

what makes you think he hasnt changed? IN fact, recent interviews and his performance over the past few months have indicated exactly how far he HAS changed.

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Re: Unbelievable
Reply #44 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:13pm

PZ547 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

Chanting the mantra: ' All you have are choices between Libs and Labor'

Fortunately this forum is extremely under patronised

No surprise

The Paid-to-Post desperates seem to consider this home

Australia moves straight past it

Virtually nowhere in this forum -- be it this weekend or other -- is there any serious discussion of alternative parties

The 'why' is obvious

Blunt tools being paid paltry shekels to chant the mantra
' Your choices are Libs or Labor'

Change is coming. Has to come. Even dumbclucks realise now that there is NO DIFFERENCE between the pretend two fake-parties

Aussies are active now in massive international fora

They see what the fake two party system did to the US and UK, etc.

Aussies know who's behind it

Aussies are waking up

Which is why the panic to control thought and speech by Gillard on instruction from her owners

You think it's done? No, Abbott will continue the agenda if he lucks in. Abbott is owned by the same scum who own Gillard

We shouldn't be paying politicians because they're simply middle-men for the middle-men. Australia is run and controlled from offshore

Aussies know it and are telling their friends

I will never vote for Abbott. Abbott was the guy who organised the destruction of Pauline Hanson

Pauline Hanson remains popular

Other Pauline's are in the wings

The worse the abuses by the fake two party system, the more the population will demand and create alternatives

If Australia's defacto rulers attempt to suppress it, it will grow ever more rapidly

Ironically, it's migrants who lead the charge against further migration. The 'racist', 'racism' BS will be laughed into oblivion as Aussies and migrants join ranks against the true enemies of this land

The most strident opposition to the current fake two party system comes from migrants

It's gone as far as it can go. No one wants Gillard or Abbott nor Libs nor Labor. They're old sandshoes that people want to see tossed in the trash

up can hardly argue about alternative parties when the only alternate party that even reaches double digits is the greens.

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