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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #105 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:20pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

The issue is about which policy is best to reduce Australia's emissions by 5% on 2000 levels......The Coalitions policy is an insult to any self respecting Australian who takes the environment seriously.....I personally do not let my opinions or politics be determined by the Chinese or Indians Macca.....I care about our planet man!!!

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(1) We have to even consider it

because Rudd ratified up to the Kyoto penalties

(2) The Kyoto penalty is 30% fine
(3) 5% of 1.3%

You can't blame the Opposition for having a bad solution to a problem you created and ignore the fact that you created the problem

then use a good solution ... even Tony previously admitted a carbon tax is the best way to go ....

then admit you created the problem

No problem ...I'll admit I'm just as guilty of recklessly emitting carbon as every other Australian ... happy.

you are as stupid as phil is - and I am being civil here

read the part in

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #106 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:25pm

The difference between me as opposed to you and Abbott is Macca.....

1. I believe in Climate Change
2. I believe in a free market mechanism to drive innovation and change
3. The Coalitions policy relies on unproven technology of storing carbon in soil
4. This unproven technology of storing carbon in soil accounts for 60% of the Coalitions reductions
5. Storing carbon in soil is not counted in the protocol
6. The Coalitions policy simply will not work
7. Tony Abbott thinks Climate Change is CRAP and his policy reflects that position because it is also CRAP

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #107 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:30pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:25pm:

The difference between me as opposed to you and Abbott is Macca.....

1. I believe in Climate Change
2. I believe in a free market mechanism to drive innovation and change
3. The Coalitions policy relies on unproven technology of storing carbon in soil
4. This unproven technology of storing carbon in soil accounts for 60% of the Coalitions reductions
5. Storing carbon in soil is not counted in the protocol
6. The Coalitions policy simply will not work
7. Tony Abbott thinks Climate Change is CRAP and his policy reflects that position because it is also CRAP

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Nice 2nd attempt at diverting and not address the point about Rudd ratifying Kyoto which condemns Australians to the Kyoto penalty

Seems that no one on the left is prepared to or has the courage to admit there is a penalty - and that penalty is only effective if you ratify

your first attempt was saying that I think Rudd is responsible for climate change

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #108 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:48pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:25pm:

The difference between me as opposed to you and Abbott is Macca.....

1. I believe in Climate Change
2. I believe in a free market mechanism to drive innovation and change
3. The Coalitions policy relies on unproven technology of storing carbon in soil
4. This unproven technology of storing carbon in soil accounts for 60% of the Coalitions reductions
5. Storing carbon in soil is not counted in the protocol
6. The Coalitions policy simply will not work
7. Tony Abbott thinks Climate Change is CRAP and his policy reflects that position because it is also CRAP

Roll Eyes

Nice 2nd attempt at diverting and not address the point about Rudd ratifying Kyoto which condemns Australians to the Kyoto penalty

Seems that no one on the left is prepared to or has the courage to admit there is a penalty - and that penalty is only effective if you ratify

your first attempt was saying that I think Rudd is responsible for climate change

Point #1 Macca

1. I believe in Climate Change

Hence I believe ratifying Kyoto the right thing to do.....It is one of the only things I agree with Tony Abbott on!!!

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #109 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:53pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:48pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:25pm:

The difference between me as opposed to you and Abbott is Macca.....

1. I believe in Climate Change
2. I believe in a free market mechanism to drive innovation and change
3. The Coalitions policy relies on unproven technology of storing carbon in soil
4. This unproven technology of storing carbon in soil accounts for 60% of the Coalitions reductions
5. Storing carbon in soil is not counted in the protocol
6. The Coalitions policy simply will not work
7. Tony Abbott thinks Climate Change is CRAP and his policy reflects that position because it is also CRAP

Roll Eyes

Nice 2nd attempt at diverting and not address the point about Rudd ratifying Kyoto which condemns Australians to the Kyoto penalty

Seems that no one on the left is prepared to or has the courage to admit there is a penalty - and that penalty is only effective if you ratify

your first attempt was saying that I think Rudd is responsible for climate change

Point #1 Macca

1. I believe in Climate Change

Hence I believe ratifying Kyoto the right thing to do.....It is one of the only things I agree with Tony Abbott on!!!

Therefore the ratification created the penalty which forces us to look at ways to pay the penalty or reduce its impact

If you still don't have the courage to look at the Abbott's comments in context

or ignore that ratification is about reducing 5% of 1.5%

then that's your limitation

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #110 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:00am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:48pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:25pm:

The difference between me as opposed to you and Abbott is Macca.....

1. I believe in Climate Change
2. I believe in a free market mechanism to drive innovation and change
3. The Coalitions policy relies on unproven technology of storing carbon in soil
4. This unproven technology of storing carbon in soil accounts for 60% of the Coalitions reductions
5. Storing carbon in soil is not counted in the protocol
6. The Coalitions policy simply will not work
7. Tony Abbott thinks Climate Change is CRAP and his policy reflects that position because it is also CRAP

Roll Eyes

Nice 2nd attempt at diverting and not address the point about Rudd ratifying Kyoto which condemns Australians to the Kyoto penalty

Seems that no one on the left is prepared to or has the courage to admit there is a penalty - and that penalty is only effective if you ratify

your first attempt was saying that I think Rudd is responsible for climate change

Point #1 Macca

1. I believe in Climate Change

Hence I believe ratifying Kyoto the right thing to do.....It is one of the only things I agree with Tony Abbott on!!!

Therefore the ratification created the penalty which forces us to look at ways to pay the penalty or reduce its impact

If you still don't have the courage to look at the Abbott's comments in context

or ignore that ratification is about reducing 5% of 1.5%

then that's your limitation

I do not really give a stuff if Abbott believes in a carbon tax or not Macca....My guess is he has NFI.....A market based mechanism is the best policy and Abbott's Direct Action policy is crap.....End of the debate really!!!

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #111 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 8:30am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

The issue is about which policy is best to reduce Australia's emissions by 5% on 2000 levels......The Coalitions policy is an insult to any self respecting Australian who takes the environment seriously.....I personally do not let my opinions or politics be determined by the Chinese or Indians Macca.....I care about our planet man!!!

Cool

(1) We have to even consider it

because Rudd ratified up to the Kyoto penalties

(2) The Kyoto penalty is 30% fine
(3) 5% of 1.3%

You can't blame the Opposition for having a bad solution to a problem you created and ignore the fact that you created the problem

then use a good solution ... even Tony previously admitted a carbon tax is the best way to go ....

then admit you created the problem

No problem ...I'll admit I'm just as guilty of recklessly emitting carbon as every other Australian ... happy.

you are as stupid as phil is - and I am being civil here

read the part in

blue

your the one being stupid ... if Abbott pulls out there are no penalties ... they can set whatever targets they like as a penalty ... It's up to Australia if it wants to play along.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49439 At my desk.	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #112 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 9:55pm Maqqa do you agree with Abbott that the best way to put a price on something is to put a price on it, then give people their money back after they wait 6 months and do all the paperwork?
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #113 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:43pm

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 9:55pm:

Maqqa do you agree with Abbott that the best way to put a price on something is to put a price on it, then give people their money back after they wait 6 months and do all the paperwork?

In reference to the interview - your question is incorrect contextually therefore there is no answer to you question.

If you want to quote him from the interview - reference the exact time within that interview and the statement he made at the time and I'll answer it.

Otherwise you question is nonsense because it does not accurately reflect what was said

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #114 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:45pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

your the one being stupid ... if Abbott pulls out there are no penalties ... they can set whatever targets they like as a penalty ... It's up to Australia if it wants to play along.

why would he want to?

you voted in Rudd to ratify it - why would Abbott want to now withdraw from it?

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #115 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:46pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:00am:

I do not really give a stuff if Abbott believes in a carbon tax or not Macca....My guess is he has NFI.....A market based mechanism is the best policy and Abbott's Direct Action policy is crap.....End of the debate really!!!

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if you don't give a stuff then don't raise the issue

Abbott's plan is there to fix the Labor mistake

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59347 Here Gender:	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #116 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:49pm Apparently according to the conservatives when Abbott said that" If you want to price carbon then why not a carbon tax...... pay at the bowser,,,, electricity billls etc" It had absolutely no meaning. He didn't really mean that if you want to price carbon then why not a carbon tax at all. Unbelievable
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #117 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:54pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:49pm:

Apparently according to the conservatives when Abbott said that" If you want to price carbon then why not a carbon tax...... pay at the bowser,,,, electricity billls etc"

It had absolutely no meaning.

He didn't really mean that if you want to price carbon then why not a carbon tax at all.

Unbelievable

because you only listened to what you want to hear that fits your bias

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #118 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:34am

Maqqa wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:49pm:

Apparently according to the conservatives when Abbott said that" If you want to price carbon then why not a carbon tax...... pay at the bowser,,,, electricity billls etc"

It had absolutely no meaning.

He didn't really mean that if you want to price carbon then why not a carbon tax at all.

Unbelievable

because you only listened to what you want to hear that fits your bias

And You are any different.

In that case what did his statment about why not a carbon tax mean????

Looking at the excuses on this thread the statment had no meaning it is like he said nothing or something else.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #119 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:09am

Maqqa wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

your the one being stupid ... if Abbott pulls out there are no penalties ... they can set whatever targets they like as a penalty ... It's up to Australia if it wants to play along.

why would he want to?

you voted in Rudd to ratify it - why would Abbott want to now withdraw from it?

then don't try to use it for an excuse .... either he agree's with it, or he doesn't ....

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