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Reply #120 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17am

"Let me tell you something, yeah sure we all have to do something on climate change. We need to leave the world a better place, I think everyone in the house agrees on that one.

Tell you what though, I'll be God-damned if the United States is going to be left picking up the check for China and the rest of the world's pollution. 'Cos thats what all these Treaties want"

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Reply #121 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:32am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17am:

"Let me tell you something, yeah sure we all have to do something on climate change. We need to leave the world a better place, I think everyone in the house agrees on that one.

Tell you what though, I'll be God-damned if the United States is going to be left picking up the check for China and the rest of the world's pollution. 'Cos thats what all these Treaties want"

Steven Palazzo, US Congress
(Republican, Mississippi)

The USA is doing it state by state which is how they tend to do things over there.
As usual California and the wealthy North Eastern states are leading the way with the poor hick states doing their usual nothing about anything.
We all know that federally the USA with its "states rights" issues is very different from all other western democracies.
Ive spent some time in MS on cycling trips and although like most of the south its a beautiful place its also years behind the rest of the USA

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #122 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:35am

Mississippi and Alabama - which is home to a the carbon intensive Gulf of Mexico refining processes - has not a single programme in place state-wide to handle carbon emissions.

The problem in some ways is that they see the rest of the world getting away with murder but demanding the US pay for it.

I can tell you thats how people see it here.

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Reply #123 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:36am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:35am:

Mississippi and Alabama - which is home to a the carbon intensive Gulf of Mexico refining processes - has not a single programme in place state-wide to handle carbon emissions.

The problem in some ways is that they see the rest of the world getting away with murder but demanding the US pay for it.

I can tell you thats how people see it here.

AL and MS...home of the tattooed and toothless..lets not use them as shining examples of how we should run anything.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #124 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:44am

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The problem in some ways is that they see the rest of the world getting away with murder but demanding the US pay for it.

I can tell you thats how people see it here.

That's how a lot of people see it here too - hence all the insistance that China is a really big country, they they should do everything and we should do nothing.

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In reference to the interview - your question is incorrect contextually therefore there is no answer to you question.

LOL, spoken like the slipperiest of politicians. What else would I expect from Maqqa?

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If you want to quote him from the interview - reference the exact time within that interview and the statement he made at the time and I'll answer it.

You mean like I already did a dozen times in this thread, only to watch you dance around the elephant in the room? It was your quote that I am using Maqqa. You seemed to think it would help his case, but it just makes him look like a complete idiot.

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Otherwise you question is nonsense because it does not accurately reflect what was said

Can you offer an alternative explanation that does not make Abbott look like a fool?

Here you go Maqqa, lets see if you can dream up another way to dodge this:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

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"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

Pretty stupid don't you think? Or do you agree with Abbott?

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #125 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:57am I agree with Tony...a simple tax on carbon is the best way to go.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59347 Here Gender:	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #126 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:04am adelcrow wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:57am: I agree with Tony...a simple tax on carbon is the best way to go. I don't agree, I think a fixed price on Carbon is a better option. All of Tony's ideas have one thing in common, we pay to subsidise the potluters who will benifit more if they can polute more.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49439 At my desk.	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #127 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:05am Quote: I don't agree, I think a fixed price on Carbon is a better option. What's the difference between that and a tax?
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #128 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:08am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:35am:

Mississippi and Alabama - which is home to a the carbon intensive Gulf of Mexico refining processes - has not a single programme in place state-wide to handle carbon emissions.

The problem in some ways is that they see the rest of the world getting away with murder but demanding the US pay for it.

I can tell you thats how people see it here.

The problem in some ways is that they see the rest of the world getting away with murder

Now that want to start shooting people because they get away with it in China?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49439 At my desk.	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #129 - Mar 3^rd, 2013 at 4:33pm Maqqa? Come dance around the elephant in the room a bit more for us....
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #130 - Mar 3^rd, 2013 at 5:25pm freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2013 at 4:33pm: Maqqa? Come dance around the elephant in the room a bit more for us.... Maqqas all for pumping more and more pollution onto our land and into our oceans, waterways and atmosphere but it would be nice to know why.
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #131 - Mar 3^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:08am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:35am:

Mississippi and Alabama - which is home to a the carbon intensive Gulf of Mexico refining processes - has not a single programme in place state-wide to handle carbon emissions.

The problem in some ways is that they see the rest of the world getting away with murder but demanding the US pay for it.

I can tell you thats how people see it here.

The problem in some ways is that they see the rest of the world getting away with murder

Now they want to start shooting people because they get away with it in China?

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #132 - Mar 3^rd, 2013 at 5:53pm freediver wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:05am: Quote: I don't agree, I think a fixed price on Carbon is a better option. What's the difference between that and a tax? The difference is context
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #133 - Mar 3^rd, 2013 at 6:19pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2013 at 5:53pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:05am:

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I don't agree, I think a fixed price on Carbon is a better option.

What's the difference between that and a tax?

The difference is context

A price on carbon, as Gillard promised us before the last election and subsequently delivered, just as promised - is only paid for by the large emitters.

However, a "carbon tax" as Tony proposes with his "Direct Action" scheme will be paid to the big emitters and paid for by ALL tax payers.

Personally, I think a market-based users-pays model is better than a Big Government solution where the government taxes everybody to pay the big emitters. But I suppose the Communists will be happy with Tony's plan.

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Reply #134 - Mar 3^rd, 2013 at 6:27pm

Nice dancing Maqqa.

Rabbit, a carbon tax is a type of price on carbon - the other common type being a trading scheme.

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However, a "carbon tax" as Tony proposes with his "Direct Action" scheme will be paid to the big emitters and paid for by ALL tax payers.

No idea what you are talking about here. If it was Abbot talking about a carbon tax he probably has it deliberately backwards.

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