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Re: Abbott & the mining/carbon taxes
Reply #30 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 4:33pm:

There is every possibility leading into 2014 that Europe could melt down altogether with America not far behind.....If upcoming elections follow the trend of electing Governments who promise not to accept the European Union solution then Europe could see several economies crash causing a domino affect.....The mining tax and carbon tax might be needed by Abbott to balance the budget in the short to medium term allowing the ALP and Greens to stall the repeal of these taxes for a time might work in Abbott's favor!!!

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so it is okay for you that the senate would refuse to repeal the CT despite abbott having a massive mandate for it and the CT being very unpopular as a matter of course?? Id be interested in your understanding of democracy because in most peoples minds it means the parliament passing legislation in line with their wishes.

Check out some examples of Longy's stunning hypocrisy on the concept of mandates:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365047005

Prior to jumping on the carbon tax mandate bandwagon, Longy was arguing against the concept of majority rule in democracy, insisting that in order to be fair to political parties we must grant them full power without requiring majority support. He has also argued that political parties should impose unpopular changes on the voting public against the wishes of the majority.

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Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #31 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:12pm

You morons on the left loves to bring out the phrase "but Abbott says the carbon tax is the best way"

But no one on the left has enough courage to post the exact comments and discuss it. The same way with the Whyalla issue.

This is why LIB supporters are a better bred of people than Leftards

I have no issue in posting threads like this examining the leader of the Opposition.

When was the last time anyone on the left did this?

That said - here are sippets from what he said and the context to which he said it.

He was putting out the idea and promoting his book and the same Turnbull was leader.

If you want to assume that to be Party Policy then FU.

He did this interview on 15 July 2009 and took over the leadership Dec 2009

Happy to discuss any point without abuse

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #32 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm Read my signature.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49410 At my desk.	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #33 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:21pm Abbott is right of course. A carbon tax is the best way. Shame his politics cannot reflect his principles. http://www.ozpolitic.com/green-tax-shift/green-tax-shift.html My bet is still that the coalition will win the next election and keep the carbon tax.
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #34 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

Read my signature. Grin

Yes but I have the courage to post the whole interview - you don't

The missing part is

Quote:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

I have now posted the exact words from the interview - does skippy have the courage to change his signature or continue with misinformation

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #35 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:34pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

Read my signature. Grin

Yes but I have the courage to post the whole interview - you don't

The missing part is

Quote:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

I have now posted the exact words from the interview - does skippy have the courage to change his signature or continue with misinformation

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

Is he dissapointed that most were compensated? Hasn't he been going off about this very point he obviously supported?

Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Yep looks like a real tax to me - definatly not like the fixed price where nobody pays any tax?

What a hypocrit this guy is.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #36 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:34pm:

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

Is he dissapointed that most were compensated? Hasn't he been going off about this very point he obviously supported?

Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Yep looks like a real tax to me - definatly not like the fixed price where nobody pays any tax?

What a hypocrit this guy is.

Quote:

If you want
to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.

IF YOU WANT

IF YOU WANT

He didn't say "I WANT TO PRICE CARBON"

He said "IF YOU WANT to price carbon....."

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #37 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 4:41pm skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm: Read my signature. If that is what you what you want to do, ETS or carbon tax. He doesnt want to do either
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #38 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 4:41pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:34pm:

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

Is he dissapointed that most were compensated? Hasn't he been going off about this very point he obviously supported?

Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Yep looks like a real tax to me - definatly not like the fixed price where nobody pays any tax?

What a hypocrit this guy is.

Quote:

If you want
to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.

IF YOU WANT

IF YOU WANT

He didn't say "I WANT TO PRICE CARBON"

He said "IF YOU WANT to price carbon....."

doesn't explain why is he going with direct action though does it Gumpy ..... watch how great that will turn out

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #39 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 4:42pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 4:41pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:34pm:

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

Is he dissapointed that most were compensated? Hasn't he been going off about this very point he obviously supported?

Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Yep looks like a real tax to me - definatly not like the fixed price where nobody pays any tax?

What a hypocrit this guy is.

Quote:

If you want
to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.

IF YOU WANT

IF YOU WANT

He didn't say "I WANT TO PRICE CARBON"

He said "IF YOU WANT to price carbon....."

doesn't explain why is he going with direct action though does it Gumpy ..... watch how great that will turn out

Because planting trees is the right thing for the environment. Environment, not some co2 boogy man that doesnt exist.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #40 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 4:49pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 4:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 4:41pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:34pm:

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

Is he dissapointed that most were compensated? Hasn't he been going off about this very point he obviously supported?

Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Yep looks like a real tax to me - definatly not like the fixed price where nobody pays any tax?

What a hypocrit this guy is.

Quote:

If you want
to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.

IF YOU WANT

IF YOU WANT

He didn't say "I WANT TO PRICE CARBON"

He said "IF YOU WANT to price carbon....."

doesn't explain why is he going with direct action though does it Gumpy ..... watch how great that will turn out

Because planting trees is the right thing for the environment. Environment, not some co2 boogy man that doesnt exist.

really? it's not to combat global warming? Well thats not what he says .... the man denies the science of global warming but has a policy to combat it ... what a moron, liar or liar .. which is it?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #41 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:01pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

Read my signature. Grin

Yes but I have the courage to post the whole interview - you don't

The missing part is

Quote:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

I have now posted the exact words from the interview - does skippy have the courage to change his signature or continue with misinformation

Liar, I quoted phony tony exact words.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38853 Gender:	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #42 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:32pm Quote: Liar, I quoted phony tony exact words. Skippy....why do you do this? Why play his absurd game. Ignore the idiot. Have you not noticed that there is not one person yet registered on my (relevant) Thread in 'Relationships?
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #43 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:35pm

Tony has often said that he is a bare faced liar unless he is reading from a script so we must ask ourselves was he lying about wanting a carbon tax or later on slamming the tax when Labor pinched his brilliant idea.
I simply cannot believe that someone as monumentally handsome, learned, witty and chiseled as Tony Abbott would ever lie to us.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #44 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:37pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

Read my signature. Grin

Yes but I have the courage to post the whole interview - you don't

The missing part is

Quote:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

I have now posted the exact words from the interview - does skippy have the courage to change his signature or continue with misinformation

Liar, I quoted phony tony exact words.

Im dumbfounded that anyone actually reads other peoples signatures Cheesy

..Crikey I dont even read my own Cheesy

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