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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #45 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:51pm

RAussie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:32pm:

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Liar, I quoted phony tony exact words.

Skippy....why do you do this? Why play his absurd game. Ignore the idiot. Have you not noticed that there is not one person yet registered on my (relevant) Thread in 'Relationships?

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Lol, I don't even read the relationships forum, Aussie. Ill have a look. Great way to drum up business. Grin

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #46 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:57pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

Read my signature. Grin

Yes but I have the courage to post the whole interview - you don't

The missing part is

Quote:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

I have now posted the exact words from the interview - does skippy have the courage to change his signature or continue with misinformation

Liar, I quoted phony tony exact words.

You keep convincing yourself of that skip

His exact words are:

Quote:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax"

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Reply #47 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:16pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:57pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

Read my signature. Grin

Yes but I have the courage to post the whole interview - you don't

The missing part is

Quote:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

I have now posted the exact words from the interview - does skippy have the courage to change his signature or continue with misinformation

Liar, I quoted phony tony exact words.

You keep convincing yourself of that skip

His exact words are:

Quote:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax"

And yet he somehow wasn't recomending a cabon tax as the best option.

The main difference between his tax and the fixed price is that his option is definatly a genuine tax which we would have all paid.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #48 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:28pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:16pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:57pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

Read my signature. Grin

Yes but I have the courage to post the whole interview - you don't

The missing part is

Quote:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

I have now posted the exact words from the interview - does skippy have the courage to change his signature or continue with misinformation

Liar, I quoted phony tony exact words.

You keep convincing yourself of that skip

His exact words are:

Quote:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax"

And yet he somehow wasn't recomending a cabon tax as the best option.

The main difference between his tax and the fixed price is that his option is definatly a genuine tax which we would have all paid.

And somehow sucking in a hopless incompetent, copier of others policies labor government.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #49 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:16pm:

And yet he somehow wasn't recomending a cabon tax as the best option.

The main difference between his tax and the fixed price is that his option is definatly a genuine tax which we would have all paid.

This was an interview in July 2009

They were asking him to comment about the structure of the tax that Rudd is looking at present

And he gave a comment that he didn't like it - but if you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #50 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:37pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:16pm:

And yet he somehow wasn't recomending a cabon tax as the best option.

The main difference between his tax and the fixed price is that his option is definatly a genuine tax which we would have all paid.

This was an interview in July 2009

They were asking him to comment about the structure of the tax that Rudd is looking at present

And he gave a comment that he didn't like it - but if you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax

It is very telling when howard wanted an ETS apparently, but Abbott was saying an ETS was stupid. So the ETS was all howard.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #52 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:40pm Quote: Abbott: If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax" see video in opening post
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #53 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:41pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:37pm:

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Abbott : "A tax on carbon is the simplest, fairest and cheapest way of combating carbon pollution and the coalition would give it some serious thought if we win the next election"

If you want to put on a tax. If you are that way inclined, as labor are, to put on a tax. If you are that dumb and disrespect the people that much

As for Abbott, he just wants to take it from the already paying tax base, but thanks for coming debt and taxes labor, because you dont care for the people of Australia or the environment.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #55 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 8:01pm

At 7.04 - he was asked about the ETS

His answers are as follows:

(1) The government is set on this.
(2) You can't save the country from the consequences of its vote
(3) You can't protect the country from the consequences of the government they elected
(4) 7.32 - If we were in government we would not be doing what the Rudd government is doing
(5) If you think you have this mandate then go ahead and do it.
(6) We don't like it. We don't think it's economically helpful for the country

Why did the lefties choose to ignore all of this context and focus on isolating 1 sentence - which they didn't even get right

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Reply #56 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 9:33pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 8:01pm:

At 7.04 - he was asked about the ETS

His answers are as follows:

(1) The government is set on this.
(2) You can't save the country from the consequences of its vote
(3) You can't protect the country from the consequences of the government they elected
(4) 7.32 - If we were in government we would not be doing what the Rudd government is doing
(5) If you think you have this mandate then go ahead and do it.
(6) We don't like it. We don't think it's economically helpful for the country

Why did the lefties choose to ignore all of this context and focus on isolating 1 sentence - which they didn't even get right

(4) 7.32 - If we were in government we would not be doing what the Rudd government is doing

If they were in power it would mean that John Howard had won the 2007 election and he went into that election with a policy to do almost exactly the same thing.

(2) You can't save the country from the consequences of its vote

Probably never more true than in 2013 and the danger of a Liberal return to power.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #57 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 9:51pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 9:33pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 8:01pm:

At 7.04 - he was asked about the ETS

His answers are as follows:

(1) The government is set on this.
(2) You can't save the country from the consequences of its vote
(3) You can't protect the country from the consequences of the government they elected
(4) 7.32 - If we were in government we would not be doing what the Rudd government is doing
(5) If you think you have this mandate then go ahead and do it.
(6) We don't like it. We don't think it's economically helpful for the country

Why did the lefties choose to ignore all of this context and focus on isolating 1 sentence - which they didn't even get right

(4) 7.32 - If we were in government we would not be doing what the Rudd government is doing

If they were in power it would mean that John Howard had won the 2007 election and he went into that election with a policy to do almost exactly the same thing.

(2) You can't save the country from the consequences of its vote

Probably never more true than in 2013 and the danger of a Liberal return to power.

Show us the exact details of the policy you are referring to DNA

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #58 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 8:54am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

Read my signature. Grin

Yes but I have the courage to post the whole interview - you don't

The missing part is

Quote:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

I have now posted the exact words from the interview - does skippy have the courage to change his signature or continue with misinformation

Wow, that is actually really stupid. Thanks for pointing this out Macca. You charge tax, then give it all back at the end of the year. Are you sure Abbott actually said that? Maybe he wants to be more like George Bush junior.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #59 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:39pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

[quote]"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

It looks like Maqqa was right after all. Abbott really did make that idiotic claim. Thanks Maqqa for pointing this out to everyone.

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