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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #525 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 9:53am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 9:36am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 9:30am:

Abbott can't get rid of it and won't get rid of it ... he knew that and has always known .... idiots like progs who say it doesn't matter are delusional.

Why does it matter?

If he can get rid of it, he will. If he cant, then he has some explaining to do. It better stack up or he is in the poo.
What matters is, is that he tries. Succeed or fail, he has my vote just for trying.

It matters because he KNOWS AND HAS ALWAYS KNOWN he couldn't get rid of it .... if you think Gillard is bad for 'lying' once, how bad is Abbott when he deliberately and continuously lied about getting rid of it?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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KJT1981 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1822	Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax Reply #526 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 9:55am In NSW, Carrs major promise was to remove the tolls from the M4 and M5. He couldn't so he came up with some half cooked wacko cash back scheme but only for private cars. Any vehicle that was registered commercially missed out.
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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #527 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 11:24am

John S wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 8:13am:

Is Abbott lying saying that he will get rid of the carbon tax

Abbott will not be able to get rid of the carbon tax until July next year if he get control of the Senate and that is very unlikely.

He will have to wait until early 2015 before he can call a DD to get rid of it.

there is the distinct possibility that after labor gets flogged at the next election they will learn the power of voter anger and will decided to do what the libs did regarding workchoices - vote for its repeal - as a matter of conscience. the carbon tax is not even popular labor policy and once the party is decimated at an election fought in part over the removal of the CT, the labor senators will see the wisdom in voting for the repeal. a DD will only get rid of it and risk further losses of labor senators.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #528 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 11:25am

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 9:36am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 9:30am:

Abbott can't get rid of it and won't get rid of it ... he knew that and has always known .... idiots like progs who say it doesn't matter are delusional.

Why does it matter?

If he can get rid of it, he will. If he cant, then he has some explaining to do. It better stack up or he is in the poo.
What matters is, is that he tries. Succeed or fail, he has my vote just for trying.

It matters because he KNOWS AND HAS ALWAYS KNOWN he couldn't get rid of it .... if you think Gillard is bad for 'lying' once, how bad is Abbott when he deliberately and continuously lied about getting rid of it?

for goodness sake retards, it is only legislation which can be easily removed by both houses of parliament.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #529 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:14pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 9:36am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 9:30am:

Abbott can't get rid of it and won't get rid of it ... he knew that and has always known .... idiots like progs who say it doesn't matter are delusional.

Why does it matter?

If he can get rid of it, he will. If he cant, then he has some explaining to do. It better stack up or he is in the poo.
What matters is, is that he tries. Succeed or fail, he has my vote just for trying.

It matters because he KNOWS AND HAS ALWAYS KNOWN he couldn't get rid of it .... if you think Gillard is bad for 'lying' once, how bad is Abbott when he deliberately and continuously lied about getting rid of it?

Swan have always KNOWN that he could not achieve a Budget surplus since 2009 so have you condemn him on that?

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax Reply #530 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm The point is that the Liberals may be able to repeal the legislation, but prices won't come down. Then Abbott will have to explain why and what he is going to do about it. That should be fun.......
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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #531 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:18pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

The point is that the Liberals may be able to repeal the legislation, but prices won't come down.

Then Abbott will have to explain why and what he is going to do about it.

That should be fun....... Grin

He may be able to once he lets all businesses show the carbon tax cost on all receipts.

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #532 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:23pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

The point is that the Liberals may be able to repeal the legislation, but prices won't come down.

Then Abbott will have to explain why and what he is going to do about it.

That should be fun....... Grin

He may be able to once he lets all businesses show the carbon tax cost on all receipts.

When you say "lets" I assume you mean "forces".

More red tape. Gee, business is going to love that!

What difference would it make, anyhow?

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #533 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:37pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

The point is that the Liberals may be able to repeal the legislation, but prices won't come down.

Then Abbott will have to explain why and what he is going to do about it.

That should be fun....... Grin

He may be able to once he lets all businesses show the carbon tax cost on all receipts.

When you say "lets" I assume you mean "forces".

More red tape. Gee, business is going to love that!

What difference would it make, anyhow?

As opposed to force them not to.

Labor might have your last question answered, as they didnt want anyone to see the carbon tax cost on receipts. So what difference did it make to them.

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #534 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:46pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

The point is that the Liberals may be able to repeal the legislation, but prices won't come down.

Then Abbott will have to explain why and what he is going to do about it.

That should be fun....... Grin

He may be able to once he lets all businesses show the carbon tax cost on all receipts.

When you say "lets" I assume you mean "forces".

More red tape. Gee, business is going to love that!

What difference would it make, anyhow?

As opposed to force them not to.

Labor might have your last question answered, as they didnt want anyone to see the carbon tax cost on receipts. So what difference did it make to them.

So a Liberal government will force businesses to itemise a non existing tax on receipts. That makes sense.

Of course the item will read:

Carbon Tax................................$0.00

But will the prices come down?

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #535 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:51pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

The point is that the Liberals may be able to repeal the legislation, but prices won't come down.

Then Abbott will have to explain why and what he is going to do about it.

That should be fun....... Grin

He may be able to once he lets all businesses show the carbon tax cost on all receipts.

When you say "lets" I assume you mean "forces".

More red tape. Gee, business is going to love that!

What difference would it make, anyhow?

As opposed to force them not to.

Labor might have your last question answered, as they didnt want anyone to see the carbon tax cost on receipts. So what difference did it make to them.

So a Liberal government will force businesses to itemise a non existing tax on receipts. That makes sense.

Of course the item will read:

Carbon Tax................................$0.00

But will the prices come down?

According to you, your question is null and void.

lol well done.
Grin

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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 59342 Here Gender:	Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax Reply #536 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:59pm As far as I can tell Abbott thinks he can remove the fixed carbon price. Pickering post - Sorry but no more credability on this than anything else.
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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax Reply #537 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 2:07pm Progs, let me explain in simple terms so you can understand. Widget and Co charges $2.63 a widget before the carbon tax. When the tax is introduced the company increases its price to $2.75. When the tax is repealed Widget and Co keep the price at $2.75. Is a Liberal government going to stop that? If so, how?
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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #538 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 2:23pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

Progs, let me explain in simple terms so you can understand.

Widget and Co charges $2.63 a widget before the carbon tax. When the tax is introduced the company increases its price to $2.75.

When the tax is repealed Widget and Co keep the price at $2.75.

Is a Liberal government going to stop that? If so, how?

So on the receipt, it would have

Carbon tax - $0.12c

Not $0.00

So why wouldnt labor want people to see that and how did they make the prices not go up more than the carbon tax actual cost.

Labor must already have the answer to your question.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax Reply #539 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 2:55pm The answer to my question, which you seem unwilling to even acknowledge, is that there is nothing Abbott can do. The tax may be repealed, but price increases supposedly caused by the tax, will remain. Widget and Co's price of $2.75 will not be reduced. Get it now?
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