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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #540 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:04pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

The point is that the Liberals may be able to repeal the legislation, but prices won't come down.

Then Abbott will have to explain why and what he is going to do about it.

That should be fun....... Grin

He may be able to once he lets all businesses show the carbon tax cost on all receipts.

I wish they would.....
Then I would know just which business is ripping me off and by how much.

Wink

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #541 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:17pm

Lobo wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:04pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

The point is that the Liberals may be able to repeal the legislation, but prices won't come down.

Then Abbott will have to explain why and what he is going to do about it.

That should be fun....... Grin

He may be able to once he lets all businesses show the carbon tax cost on all receipts.

I wish they would.....
Then I would know just which business is ripping me off and by how much.

Wink

ABS figures show that the Carbon Tax increased prices by $10 per week.
The compensation given was $3 per year.

That reads a loss to me.

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #543 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:25pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 2:55pm:

The answer to my question, which you seem unwilling to even acknowledge, is that there is nothing Abbott can do.

The tax may be repealed, but price increases supposedly caused by the tax, will remain. Widget and Co's price of $2.75 will not be reduced.

Get it now?

So in the same right, prices just went up to whatever the hell they wanted it to when the carbon tax came in.

If labor had a mechanism to stop that, then in reverse it can do the same or fail just the same. If you didnt care how much it went up when the carbon tax came in, im sure you can care just as much when the prices dont go down.

Get it now!

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #544 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:34pm

Progs, you are wriggling like a worm on a hook.

When interviewed regarding his company's price increase, the CEO of Widget and Co, Mr Greedy Fat Bastard, said the company reviewed its prices from time to time.

"The 12c increase was partly caused by the carbon tax, but there were other factors as well," Mr Bastard said. "it's a complex area."

"We cannot isolate how much of the increase was due to any one factor. So the increase will remain".

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #545 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:35pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

Progs, you are wriggling like a worm on a hook.

When interviewed regarding his company's price increase, the CEO of Widget and Co, Mr Greedy Fat Bastard, said the company reviewed its prices from time to time.

"The 12c increase was partly caused by the carbon tax, but there were other factors as well, Mr Bastard said. "it's a complex area."

"We cannot isolate how much of the increase was due to any one factor. So the increase will remain".

And fat bastard said "because labor dont have any mechanisms in place and labor people dont seem to care, we added on a little more so I can buy a new sports car"

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #547 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:45pm

Oh, Progs......it takes a while, but eventually a little ray of sunshine appears in your head.

Do you want prices to be controlled by government?

One NZ administration, strangely a conservative one, once introduced a wage and price freeze. Problem was it couldn't stay in place forever.

When it was lifted both prices and wages went through the roof........

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #548 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:49pm

As I have said previously, the Carbon Tax was always & primarily about a net Tax (Revenue) Gain, which it is & will be.

If Abbott & the Libs are to scrap the Carbon Tax, that is their perogative when they will office, BUT they will have to restore that Revenue (Tax), by adding a nother new one or increasing existing ones OR Debt will continue to increase and at a faster rate.

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #549 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:58pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

The point is that the Liberals may be able to repeal the legislation, but prices won't come down.

Then Abbott will have to explain why and what he is going to do about it.

That should be fun....... Grin

your opinion only. it would be childs place to legislate that prices are reduced by the amount the CT is removed. and if it is not removed ten who is to blame? not abbott. Gillard. and you know that fair or not, Gillard will be blamed for the carbon tax for many years to come.

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #550 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:59pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

As I have said previously, the Carbon Tax was always & primarily about a net Tax (Revenue) Gain, which it is & will be.

If Abbott & the Libs are to scrap the Carbon Tax, that is their perogative when they will office, BUT they will have to restore that Revenue (Tax), by adding a nother new one or increasing existing ones OR Debt will continue to increase and at a faster rate.

OR...

there is another option...

THINK NOW

what could it be?

COULD IT BE...

spending cuts? the same thing every family and business does when things get tight?

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #551 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 4:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

As I have said previously, the Carbon Tax was always & primarily about a net Tax (Revenue) Gain, which it is & will be.

If Abbott & the Libs are to scrap the Carbon Tax, that is their perogative when they will office, BUT they will have to restore that Revenue (Tax), by adding a nother new one or increasing existing ones OR Debt will continue to increase and at a faster rate.

OR...

there is another option...

THINK NOW

what could it be?

COULD IT BE...

spending cuts? the same thing every family and business does when things get tight?

See my answer to your query at -
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1364251774/all

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #552 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 5:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

The point is that the Liberals may be able to repeal the legislation, but prices won't come down.

Then Abbott will have to explain why and what he is going to do about it.

That should be fun....... Grin

your opinion only. it would be childs place to legislate that prices are reduced by the amount the CT is removed. and if it is not removed ten who is to blame? not abbott. Gillard. and you know that fair or not, Gillard will be blamed for the carbon tax for many years to come.

So let me get this clear.

You, a conservative, are suggesting that a government, beholden to, and supported by, business interests, would legislate that those same businesses reduce their prices?

That it should interfere in the market?

Oh, boy...... Tongue

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #553 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 5:01pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

As I have said previously, the Carbon Tax was always & primarily about a net Tax (Revenue) Gain, which it is & will be.

If Abbott & the Libs are to scrap the Carbon Tax, that is their perogative when they will office, BUT they will have to restore that Revenue (Tax), by adding a nother new one or increasing existing ones OR Debt will continue to increase and at a faster rate.

OR...

there is another option...

THINK NOW

what could it be?

COULD IT BE...

spending cuts? the same thing every family and business does when things get tight?

See my answer to your query at -
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1364251774/all

seriously??? read it for yourself. perhaps in invisible ink there is your suggested alternative but all you have done and all you EVER do is spruik doom and gloom and not once have you come up with a suggestion. Please, prove me wrong and in a sentence or two (not an esseay please!!!) summarise your suggestions for solving the economic problem since you have said that raising taxes, reducing taxes, increasing spending, cutting spending are off the table.

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Re: Abbott can't stop the carbon tax
Reply #554 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 5:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

The point is that the Liberals may be able to repeal the legislation, but prices won't come down.

Then Abbott will have to explain why and what he is going to do about it.

That should be fun....... Grin

your opinion only. it would be childs place to legislate that prices are reduced by the amount the CT is removed. and if it is not removed ten who is to blame? not abbott. Gillard. and you know that fair or not, Gillard will be blamed for the carbon tax for many years to come.

So you, a conservative, are suggesting that a government supported by, and beholden to, business, should legislate they reduce their prices?

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