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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #60 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:41pm

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

[quote]"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

It looks like Maqqa was right after all. Abbott really did make that idiotic claim. Thanks Maqqa for pointing this out to everyone.

what are you talking about dive

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #61 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:45pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:34pm:

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

Is he dissapointed that most were compensated? Hasn't he been going off about this very point he obviously supported?

Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Yep looks like a real tax to me - definatly not like the fixed price where nobody pays any tax?

What a hypocrit this guy is.

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If you want
to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.

IF YOU WANT

IF YOU WANT

He didn't say "I WANT TO PRICE CARBON"

He said "IF YOU WANT to price carbon....."

Most of the Time through that Period Tony wanted to price carbon and clearly supported policy to do so.

Now of course he doesn’t want to price carbon he just wants to ineffectively mitigate it using our money.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #62 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 7:12pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

[quote]"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

It looks like Maqqa was right after all. Abbott really did make that idiotic claim. Thanks Maqqa for pointing this out to everyone.

what are you talking about dive

Did you read what he said? Would you ever advise people that the best way to put a price on something is to refund the cost to people? You don't need to have studied economics to see that Abbott is tying himself in knots with his own spin. Perhaps this was his first attempt at his current approach of pretending to do something in order to please both crowds, and wasting our time and money in the process.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #63 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 7:22pm

When Abbott wins the next election he'll disappear for a week while he goes over the books.

He'll then tell us that:

Quote:

he was misinformed about the true position of the fiscal situation & he'll say:

I will have to forgo many election promises because the government is broke
& needs all the revenue it can raise.

He will have to keep the carbon tax & the mining tax.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #64 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 7:43pm

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 7:12pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

[quote]"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

It looks like Maqqa was right after all. Abbott really did make that idiotic claim. Thanks Maqqa for pointing this out to everyone.

what are you talking about dive

Did you read what he said? Would you ever advise people that the best way to put a price on something is to refund the cost to people? You don't need to have studied economics to see that Abbott is tying himself in knots with his own spin. Perhaps this was his first attempt at his current approach of pretending to do something in order to please both crowds, and wasting our time and money in the process.

I provided you with the interview

If you don't understand - just ask and I will teach you

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49426 At my desk.	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #65 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 7:49pm Fair enough. Please explain why the statement is not as stupid as it appears.
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #67 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:31pm

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

Fair enough. Please explain why the statement is not as stupid as it appears.

This interview was done July 2009
(1) He was promoting his book
(2) This is before he took over the leadership from Turnbull
(3) This is before he rolled Turnbull on the ETS

At 7.04 - he was asked about the ETS

His answers are as follows:

(1) The Rudd government is set on this.
(2) You can't save the country from the consequences of its vote
(3) Rudd claims he has a mandate for an ETS when it won the election - because he has the numbers
(4) If Rudd think he has this mandate then go ahead and do it.
(5) But IF he was going to do it.....
(6) 7.32 - If we were in government we would not be doing what the Rudd government is doing
(7) We don't like it. We don't think it's economically helpful for the country

If you want to omit the above context - up to you.

In layman's term
(i) LIBs didn't like it
(ii) LIBs won't support it
(iii) LIBs can't stop you because you have the numbers
(iv) If Labor was going to do it - here's some friendly advice - make the tax simple.

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john_g Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1549 Gender:	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #68 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:52pm Abbott was going on about it again today. As soon as I hear either Abbott or Gillard's voice, I immediately have to turn off the radio or change the channel.
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #69 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 10:05pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:31pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

Fair enough. Please explain why the statement is not as stupid as it appears.

This interview was done July 2009
(1) He was promoting his book
(2) This is before he took over the leadership from Turnbull
(3) This is before he rolled Turnbull on the ETS

At 7.04 - he was asked about the ETS

His answers are as follows:

(1) The Rudd government is set on this.
(2) You can't save the country from the consequences of its vote
(3) Rudd claims he has a mandate for an ETS when it won the election - because he has the numbers
(4) If Rudd think he has this mandate then go ahead and do it.
(5) But IF he was going to do it.....
(6) 7.32 - If we were in government we would not be doing what the Rudd government is doing
(7) We don't like it. We don't think it's economically helpful for the country

If you want to omit the above context - up to you.

In layman's term
(i) LIBs didn't like it
(ii) LIBs won't support it
(iii) LIBs can't stop you because you have the numbers
(iv) If Labor was going to do it - here's some friendly advice - make the tax simple.

Maqqa none of that makes this statement any more sensible. You seem incapable of getting past the first four words - "if you want to". We all realise those words are there. It is the bit that follows that is stupid, and it is still stupid when you preface them with "if you want to".

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:

[quote]"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #70 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:57pm

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 10:05pm:

Maqqa none of that makes this statement any more sensible. You seem incapable of getting past the first four words - "if you want to". We all realise those words are there. It is the bit that follows that is stupid, and it is still stupid when you preface them with "if you want to".

Point 1
so in your humble opinion - you are only everything should be taken out of context and only focus on that part of a sentence within a 10 minutes interview that fits your political ideology

Is this the way way you prefer people to look at your posts? Just take any four words?

Point 2
It's actually not the first 4 words within the interview. It's half way through the interview

Point 3
It is you who can't get over the four words and look at the whole interview

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #71 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 5:01am

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:21pm:

Abbott is right of course. A carbon tax is the best way. Shame his politics cannot reflect his principles.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/green-tax-shift/green-tax-shift.html

My bet is still that the coalition will win the next election and keep the carbon tax.

Yeah but he is saying he will get rid of it so will the "righties" get angry when he breaks his promise?

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #72 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 8:09am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:57pm:

you are only everything should be taken out of context and only focus on that part of a sentence within a 10 minutes interview that fits your political ideologyIs this the way way you prefer people to look at your posts? Just take any four words?

hillarious hypocrisy coming from the shmuck who has deliberately misquoted 'there will be no carbon tax' only about a million times in the last few years .....

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #73 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 9:13am

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:57pm:

you are only everything should be taken out of context and only focus on that part of a sentence within a 10 minutes interview that fits your political ideologyIs this the way way you prefer people to look at your posts? Just take any four words?

hillarious hypocrisy coming from the shmuck who has deliberately misquoted 'there will be no carbon tax' only about a million times in the last few years .....

Yet you have no courage to post the exact interview and point out the lies you believe to be perpetrated by the right

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #74 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 6:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

When Abbott wins the next election he'll disappear for a week while he goes over the books.

He'll then tell us that:

Quote:

he was misinformed about the true position of the fiscal situation & he'll say:

I will have to forgo many election promises because the government is broke
& needs all the revenue it can raise.

He will have to keep the carbon tax & the mining tax.

Didn't anyone read my Nostradamus prediction?

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