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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #90 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:54pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:21pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:13pm:

Abbott has painted himself into a corner.....How the hell will Abbott ever find the revenue to fund anything now that he has promised no new taxes and to abolish revenue raising policies.....Abbott has not thought past the next election date!!!

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So you agree it's not about the environment phil?

The ETS will raise revenue and fund the ALP clean energy policy Macca.....The mining tax will also raise revenue now that commodity prices have recovered from the lows of last year.....So it is not only about the environment it is also about funding very expensive policies to reduce carbon emissions.....The money must come from somewhere???

The Coalitions Direct Action policy is funded from consolidated revenue that is already stretched and the policy simply will not work!!!

There is no choice between the two policies when it comes to achieving our emissions targets!!!

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and what observable changes will it make in the environment if China and India is dumping more into the environment that we are cutting?

the carbon we hope to cut by 2020 is what China dumps into the atmosphere every 12 days

so why waste taxpayer dollars on tree planting and other ponzy schemes that Abbott has cooked up? You cannot have it both ways.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #91 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:55pm John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:54pm: so why waste taxpayer dollars on tree planting and other ponzy schemes that Abbott has cooked up? You cannot have it both ways. because we have to reduce the impact of the Kyoto penalty that Rudd agreed to when he ratified Kyoto
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #92 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:56pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:53pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Here's a thought Maqqa - maybe the carbon tax is about both carbon and tax....

Geez

I've only been saying this since 2007

no you haven't ... you've been claiming it's about the tax ......

hush little one....the adults are talking
we are having a tax on carbon or direct action plan is because your moronic Rudd decided to ratify Kyoto

by the time adults get to your age, they revert back to childhood .... maybe you should leave the thinking to those who don't suffer from senility !!!!

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #93 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:58pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:56pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:53pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Here's a thought Maqqa - maybe the carbon tax is about both carbon and tax....

Geez

I've only been saying this since 2007

no you haven't ... you've been claiming it's about the tax ......

hush little one....the adults are talking
we are having a tax on carbon or direct action plan is because your moronic Rudd decided to ratify Kyoto

by the time adults get to your age, they revert back to childhood .... maybe you should leave the thinking to those who don't suffer from senility !!!!

adult has nothing to do with age

Swan, Gillard et al are all advanced in age but they are morons

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #94 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:58pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:54pm:

so why waste taxpayer dollars on tree planting and other ponzy schemes that Abbott has cooked up? You cannot have it both ways.

because we have to reduce the impact of the Kyoto penalty that Rudd agreed to when he ratified Kyoto

what a bullsh it excuse ...

he doesn't seem concerned about the asylum seeker treaty australia signed up too? He doesn't seem to care about any rules if they are in his way, why let this one stop him? He could easily pull out of it if he wanted to.

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Reply #95 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:59pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:21pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:13pm:

Abbott has painted himself into a corner.....How the hell will Abbott ever find the revenue to fund anything now that he has promised no new taxes and to abolish revenue raising policies.....Abbott has not thought past the next election date!!!

Roll Eyes

So you agree it's not about the environment phil?

The ETS will raise revenue and fund the ALP clean energy policy Macca.....The mining tax will also raise revenue now that commodity prices have recovered from the lows of last year.....So it is not only about the environment it is also about funding very expensive policies to reduce carbon emissions.....The money must come from somewhere???

The Coalitions Direct Action policy is funded from consolidated revenue that is already stretched and the policy simply will not work!!!

There is no choice between the two policies when it comes to achieving our emissions targets!!!

Cool

and what observable changes will it make in the environment if China and India is dumping more into the environment that we are cutting?

the carbon we hope to cut by 2020 is what China dumps into the atmosphere every 12 days

The issue is about which policy is best to reduce Australia's emissions by 5% on 2000 levels......The Coalitions policy is an insult to any self respecting Australian who takes the environment seriously.....I personally do not let my opinions or politics be determined by the Chinese or Indians Macca.....I care about our planet man!!!

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75183 Gender:	Re: Abbott on carbon tax Reply #96 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:59pm Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:58pm: adult has nothing to do with age so in your opinion, my 3 yr old can be classified as an adult? he's certainly smarter than you ....
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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #97 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:02pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:54pm:

so why waste taxpayer dollars on tree planting and other ponzy schemes that Abbott has cooked up? You cannot have it both ways.

because we have to reduce the impact of the Kyoto penalty that Rudd agreed to when he ratified Kyoto

Yes but Abbott agreed it was the right thing to do along with the apology to the stolen generation.....Your opinion has no political support in this country Macca.....Perhaps you should consider moving to China???

Wink

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #98 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:03pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

The issue is about which policy is best to reduce Australia's emissions by 5% on 2000 levels......The Coalitions policy is an insult to any self respecting Australian who takes the environment seriously.....I personally do not let my opinions or politics be determined by the Chinese or Indians Macca.....I care about our planet man!!!

Cool

(1) We have to even consider it because Rudd ratified up to the Kyoto penalties
(2) The Kyoto penalty is 30% fine
(3) 5% of 1.3%

You can't blame the Opposition for having a bad solution to a problem you created and ignore the fact that you created the problem

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Reply #99 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:05pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

The issue is about which policy is best to reduce Australia's emissions by 5% on 2000 levels......The Coalitions policy is an insult to any self respecting Australian who takes the environment seriously.....I personally do not let my opinions or politics be determined by the Chinese or Indians Macca.....I care about our planet man!!!

Cool

(1) We have to even consider it because Rudd ratified up to the Kyoto penalties
(2) The Kyoto penalty is 30% fine
(3) 5% of 1.3%

You can't blame the Opposition for having a bad solution to a problem you created and ignore the fact that you created the problem

then use a good solution ... even Tony previously admitted a carbon tax is the best way to go ....

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #100 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:06pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:54pm:

so why waste taxpayer dollars on tree planting and other ponzy schemes that Abbott has cooked up? You cannot have it both ways.

because we have to reduce the impact of the Kyoto penalty that Rudd agreed to when he ratified Kyoto

Yes but Abbott agreed it was the right thing to do along with the apology to the stolen generation.....Your opinion has no political support in this country Macca.....Perhaps you should consider moving to China???

Wink

Read the WHOLE transcript rather than grab the sound byte that Labor wants you to listen to. He said they lost the election based on those things therefore if they wanted to win the election then they should have done things differently.

Why would I want my opinion have political support?

Right is right.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #101 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:07pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

The issue is about which policy is best to reduce Australia's emissions by 5% on 2000 levels......The Coalitions policy is an insult to any self respecting Australian who takes the environment seriously.....I personally do not let my opinions or politics be determined by the Chinese or Indians Macca.....I care about our planet man!!!

Cool

(1) We have to even consider it because Rudd ratified up to the Kyoto penalties
(2) The Kyoto penalty is 30% fine
(3) 5% of 1.3%

You can't blame the Opposition for having a bad solution to a problem you created and ignore the fact that you created the problem

then use a good solution ... even Tony previously admitted a carbon tax is the best way to go ....

then admit you created the problem

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #102 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:12pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

The issue is about which policy is best to reduce Australia's emissions by 5% on 2000 levels......The Coalitions policy is an insult to any self respecting Australian who takes the environment seriously.....I personally do not let my opinions or politics be determined by the Chinese or Indians Macca.....I care about our planet man!!!

Cool

(1) We have to even consider it because Rudd ratified up to the Kyoto penalties
(2) The Kyoto penalty is 30% fine
(3) 5% of 1.3%

You can't blame the Opposition for having a bad solution to a problem you created and ignore the fact that you created the problem

Are you blaming Kevin Rudd for Climate Change Macca.....I know he is full of hot air and self promotion but I think that is stretching it a little???

Huh

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #103 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:12pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

The issue is about which policy is best to reduce Australia's emissions by 5% on 2000 levels......The Coalitions policy is an insult to any self respecting Australian who takes the environment seriously.....I personally do not let my opinions or politics be determined by the Chinese or Indians Macca.....I care about our planet man!!!

Cool

(1) We have to even consider it because Rudd ratified up to the Kyoto penalties
(2) The Kyoto penalty is 30% fine
(3) 5% of 1.3%

You can't blame the Opposition for having a bad solution to a problem you created and ignore the fact that you created the problem

then use a good solution ... even Tony previously admitted a carbon tax is the best way to go ....

then admit you created the problem

No problem ...I'll admit I'm just as guilty of recklessly emitting carbon as every other Australian ... happy.

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Re: Abbott on carbon tax
Reply #104 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:19pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

The issue is about which policy is best to reduce Australia's emissions by 5% on 2000 levels......The Coalitions policy is an insult to any self respecting Australian who takes the environment seriously.....I personally do not let my opinions or politics be determined by the Chinese or Indians Macca.....I care about our planet man!!!

Cool

(1) We have to even consider it

because Rudd ratified up to the Kyoto penalties

(2) The Kyoto penalty is 30% fine
(3) 5% of 1.3%

You can't blame the Opposition for having a bad solution to a problem you created and ignore the fact that you created the problem

Are you blaming Kevin Rudd for Climate Change Macca.....I know he is full of hot air and self promotion but I think that is stretching it a little???

Huh

Where did I say that?

I was very specific - go back and read it. I've highlight the response in

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