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Maqqa

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All Carbon Tax related giveaways will be reviewed
Mar 29^th, 2013 at 8:51am

In order to pass the Carbon Tax lies - Gillard had to sweeten the deal with giveaways.

These giveaways are paid for by the carbon tax

These giveaways are predicated on the carbon tax

These giveaways are DEPENDENT on the carbon tax

No carbon tax - no need for give aways

Over the next few months - Gillard will tell you the LIBs will cut your giveaways

She will make it look like these giveaways was independent of the carbon tax

So everytime she yells "LIBs take your goodies" you need to ask her if it relates to the carbon tax.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105920 Melbourne Gender:	Re: All Carbon Tax related giveaways will be reviewed Reply #1 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 8:54am Hi Maqqa - why don't you start a pro-Labor thread?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74838 Gender:	Re: All Carbon Tax related giveaways will be reviewed Reply #2 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 8:58am Maqqa wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 8:51am: So everytime she yells "LIBs take your goodies" you need to ask her if it relates to the carbon tax why? if the goodies are on the table, and Abbott wants to take them away the libs are taking the goodies .... what part of that is difficult for you?
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Reply #3 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 9:59am

I assume the "giveaways" Maqqa is on about are the compensation paid to people like pensioners to offset the increases in prices caused by the carbon tax. If the carbon tax is repealed business will not reduce its prices. Business doesn't do that.

So the justification for the compensation will remain.

Abbott will find himself no longer receiving any income from the tax, but still having to pay compensation for the tax, even though the tax no longer exists.

So, Maqqa, how is the Great God Abbott going to deal with this little problem?

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Reply #4 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 10:05am

Compensation removed but prices will still rise.....Of course this will only impact low and middle income earners who receive the bulk of the compensation.....Abbott must still provide billions of taxpayer dollars to support his own direct action policy.....No doubt the services and spending he will cut will also impact low and middle income earners.....Removing the carbon tax will only shift the burden to the majority of Australian's who will have to pay for Tony Abbott's useless direct action policy!!!

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Reply #5 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 11:53am

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

Compensation removed but prices will still rise.....Of course this will only impact low and middle income earners who receive the bulk of the compensation.....Abbott must still provide billions of taxpayer dollars to support his own direct action policy.....No doubt the services and spending he will cut will also impact low and middle income earners.....Removing the carbon tax will only shift the burden to the majority of Australian's who will have to pay for Tony Abbott's useless direct action policy!!!

Angry

What a ridiculous policy. What goodies will be taken away to fund this monstrosity of a program. Let the market solve the problem, Tony.

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Reply #6 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 3:22pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

Compensation removed but prices will still rise.....Of course this will only impact low and middle income earners who receive the bulk of the compensation.....Abbott must still provide billions of taxpayer dollars to support his own direct action policy.....No doubt the services and spending he will cut will also impact low and middle income earners.....Removing the carbon tax will only shift the burden to the majority of Australian's who will have to pay for Tony Abbott's useless direct action policy!!!

Angry

Price = Costs + Profits + Carbon Tax

Good try but the tactic is straight from Labor HQ

You are trying to link normal price rises due to profiteering and/or Costs increases to the carbon tax

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Reply #8 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 3:49pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

Compensation removed but prices will still rise.....Of course this will only impact low and middle income earners who receive the bulk of the compensation.....Abbott must still provide billions of taxpayer dollars to support his own direct action policy.....No doubt the services and spending he will cut will also impact low and middle income earners.....Removing the carbon tax will only shift the burden to the majority of Australian's who will have to pay for Tony Abbott's useless direct action policy!!!

Angry

Price = Costs + Profits + Carbon Tax

Good try but the tactic is straight from Labor HQ

You are trying to link normal price rises due to profiteering and/or Costs increases to the carbon tax

And you are evading the issue. Businesses don't reduce their prices voluntarily.

So if the tax is removed, but prices do not drop, what is your hero going to do?

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: All Carbon Tax related giveaways will be reviewed Reply #9 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 3:52pm We know prices tend to be sticky downwards.
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Maqqa

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Reply #10 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 4:02pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

Compensation removed but prices will still rise.....Of course this will only impact low and middle income earners who receive the bulk of the compensation.....Abbott must still provide billions of taxpayer dollars to support his own direct action policy.....No doubt the services and spending he will cut will also impact low and middle income earners.....Removing the carbon tax will only shift the burden to the majority of Australian's who will have to pay for Tony Abbott's useless direct action policy!!!

Angry

Price = Costs + Profits + Carbon Tax

Good try but the tactic is straight from Labor HQ

You are trying to link normal price rises due to profiteering and/or Costs increases to the carbon tax

And you are evading the issue. Businesses don't reduce their prices voluntarily.

So if the tax is removed, but prices do not drop, what is you hero going to do?

So you are now talking about profiteering - which is unrelated to the carbon tax

As for Profiteering - Gillard has given the ACCC to monitor and punish those who used the carbon tax as a profiteering excuse. I am sure this can be used to deter profiteering

This profiteering due to the carbon tax should not even be an issue if Gillard didn't implement it. So if you have concerns - blame Gillard

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: All Carbon Tax related giveaways will be reviewed Reply #11 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 4:33pm Quite simply, prices will not be reduced. The justification for compensation will remain. Abbott is building himself an intractable problem.
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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: All Carbon Tax related giveaways will be reviewed Reply #12 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 4:35pm I ask you again, Maqqa, what will Abbott do?
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woody2014 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2044 NTH EAST VIC Gender:	Re: All Carbon Tax related giveaways will be reviewed Reply #13 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 4:37pm Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 4:35pm: I ask you again, Maqqa, what will Abbott do? Purge the country of free loading KIWI'S
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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: All Carbon Tax related giveaways will be reviewed Reply #14 - Mar 29^th, 2013 at 8:59pm Well, Maqqa, what's the answer?
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