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Reply #15 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 12:42pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 12:30pm:
I feel, that if labor had of gotten their surplus when they said they would have, on 300 occasions and the PM saying "failure is not an option" so therefore they are failures. Then the polls would have turned around a bit. Not saying a winning upward trend, but an upward trend none the less.


Still got a long way to go, progs.
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Reply #16 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:02pm
 
Voters are focused on the economy MOTR. That's why Labor is going down the tubes without a snorkel.
Believe it, accept it and learn to live with an Abbott govt.
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Reply #17 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:05pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:02pm:
Voters are focused on the economy MOTR. That's why Labor is going down the tubes without a snorkel.
Believe it, accept it and learn to live with an Abbott govt.


Can you substantiate that position
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Reply #18 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:08pm
 
MOTR wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 12:42pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 12:30pm:
I feel, that if labor had of gotten their surplus when they said they would have, on 300 occasions and the PM saying "failure is not an option" so therefore they are failures. Then the polls would have turned around a bit. Not saying a winning upward trend, but an upward trend none the less.


Still got a long way to go, progs.

Every week that goes by a policy turns to shite, a promise is dropped, a party looks a mess. All from labor.

How deep do you want the hole.
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Reply #19 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:17pm
 
All governments go to the people with broken promises and cock ups. However, few go to the people in such a healthy economic position. When it comes to the crunch the economy puts the competency of the government into some sort of perspective.

Are people going to risk the economy's levers to the economically illiterate Abbott.


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Reply #20 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:20pm
 
I wouldn't call 4 (5th coming up) huge budget deficits in a row a healthy position. Unless of course you believe in the position that a govt should continuously run in the red, borrowing from Peter every day to pay Paul, which is evidenced by the  constant cutting & slicing & redefining of programs.

And yes, they are going to take a punt on Abbott and it will be the best bet they've made since 2007.
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Reply #21 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:26pm
 
And you know exactly the sh1t we'd be in if they were running surpluses for the same period of time. The economy is in a healthy position because they were prepared to run a countercyclical fiscal policy.
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Reply #22 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:28pm
 
MOTR wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:17pm:
All governments go to the people with broken promises and cock ups. However, few go to the people in such a healthy economic position. When it comes to the crunch the economy puts the competency of the government into some sort of perspective.

Are people going to risk the economy's levers to the economically illiterate Abbott.



Australians, us, we expect a little decorum. Gillard selling us out to gain power wasn't it.

Gillard saying failure is not an option for a deficit, so she refuses to answer a legitimate question, only to fail anyway, was not it.

Telling us we are extemists for not liking being lied to, wasnt it.

Remaining in power above and beyond her own rules of bad polls and your out of here Kevin Rudd. And all the lies that came with that, wasnt it.

Putting our debt to record levels from what we worked so hard for to get to zero, wasnt it.

The hole is pretty deep. There are many things I am sure I have left out.

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Reply #23 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:29pm
 
And as to the punt you know they are going to make?
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Reply #24 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:36pm
 
Gillard's economic advisor praising his own work


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http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stephen-koukoulas-2836682.html

Between October 2010 and July 2011, he was economic policy advisor to the Prime Minister Julia Gillard.
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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #25 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:43pm
 
MOTR wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:05pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:02pm:
Voters are focused on the economy MOTR. That's why Labor is going down the tubes without a snorkel.
Believe it, accept it and learn to live with an Abbott govt.


Can you substantiate that position


http://www.newspoll.com.au/opinion-polls-2/opinion-polls-2/

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Reply #26 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:47pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:43pm:
MOTR wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:05pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:02pm:
Voters are focused on the economy MOTR. That's why Labor is going down the tubes without a snorkel.
Believe it, accept it and learn to live with an Abbott govt.


Can you substantiate that position


http://www.newspoll.com.au/opinion-polls-2/opinion-polls-2/

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/Untitled.jpg


So there are quite a few people that haven't put much thought into it. It's time Labor did a better job of selling their accomplishments.
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Reply #27 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 2:18pm
 
MOTR wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 11:43am:
NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD
March 2013
STEPHEN KOUKOULAS

If the electorate focuses on the economy as it votes at the Federal election on September 14, the Labor Party should win.

An era of rising wealth, sustained solid growth, near full employment and on-going lift in living standards are the material that should get an incumbent reelected.

While it is political poison to say to the general population, “you’ve never had it so good”, the cold, hard macroeconomic facts on the economy, real wages growth, wealth and incomes suggests Australians have never been richer, never been better off.

At a macroeconomic level, the economy grew by a healthy 3.1 percent through 2012, while annual inflation ended the year at 2.2 percent, in the lower half of the Reserve Bank’s target band. Right through 2012, the unemployment rate was low, holding between 5 and 5.5 percent which in fact locks in a decade where Australia’s unemployment rate has been below 6 percent. This is a remarkable achievement given global events, the near depression in the developed world and the substantial structural changes that have occurred in the local economy.

While there is nothing particularly spectacular about 3.1 percent GDP growth, 2.2 percent inflation or the unemployment holding at 5.5 percent or below, to have them occurring simultaneously is rare.

Australia’s economic history has many examples where GDP growth has been well above 3 percent, but this has normally seen inflation rise, which eats away at real incomes and forces interest rates higher. Similarly, there are many episodes where the annual inflation rate has been 2.2 percent or lower, but this has usually occurred when the unemployment rate is high and rising. To have this trifecta of excellent macroeconomic news owes a lot to the economic management of the economy and is something that is overlooked by an electorate that seems to be preoccupied with boat people, the marginal hip-pocket impact of the carbon price, the trivial levels of government debt and other ephemeral issues.

Looked at another way, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that whoever wins the election in September, they would be delighted to lock in a further three years where the macroeconomic numbers we have before us now are repeated each and every year of their term of office.

Frankly, it is just about impossible to do any better.

Having said that, it is clear that not everyone is sharing the benefits of the purple patch for the Australian economy. There are regions, industries and individuals that are not sharing the good times that the strong economy is delivering.

Such unevenness is inevitable whether the economy is strong or weak, but it is important to emphasise that it is not the job of the RBA to set interest rates for Tasmania or manufacturing, for example, or for the government to spend too much money propping up industries that are succumbing to the reality of extinction due to high costs, inefficiency or some other factor outside the government control.

Where the government can and should help, and this is where the current government has done well, is to provide a framework that provides a safety net for the sectors, businesses and individuals who are hurting as the rest of the economy powers ahead.

The mining tax raised revenue to boost superannuation for those not directly involved in the boom sectors. Retraining, skills and even some financial support is allocated to individuals who lose their jobs as the sectors they work in shrink. Maintaining a strong overall economy will also see job opportunities show up in the sectors in the fast lane expand.

For all of the thousands of jobs lost in recent years in Qantas, Boral, the banks, the steel and aluminum firms, Santos, Holden, Toyota and Caltex, to name a few, there are 850,000 more people employed today than there were five years ago. Presumably the bulk of the people who were proverbially “thrown on to the unemployment scrap heap” have been re-engaged elsewhere in the workforce.


The rise in house prices has added around $125 billion to the wealth of residential property holders in the last three months alone. This should be pleasing to the two-thirds of the population that own a house.

Having a job, rising wealth and rising real wages is good news and cannot be due to simple dumb luck. Generally prudent monetary policy and use of fiscal policy in a counter-cyclical way has underpinned the current economic strength.

The polls are showing that the Coalition will romp in at the election in September, even though the mix of hard economic news has rarely, if ever, been better.

Stephen Koukoulas is Managing Director of Market Economics. He writes a daily column for Business Spectator.

marketeconomics.com.au


they said the same thin in 2007 when the economy was vastly better. Perhaps - just perhaps - the issues in the election are a little more more than just the economy? Maybe they just don't like lies and incompetence. Perhaps leadership that is always at each others throats is not exactly garnering admiration or confidence. Perhaps the repeated corruption and criminality in the ALP and union movement have made people uneasy about letting them near the honey jar?

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Reply #28 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 2:19pm
 
MOTR wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 11:59am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 11:49am:
Can I genuinely ask you MOTR why you are so worried about Labor losing the coming election?

You have posted a number of pro Labor threads (the pinnacle being the embarrassing misleading poll one) and I just wonder why you appear so desperate they turn around their fortunes?


I'm just providing a bit of balance to the debate.

As for the poll thread, 53% of voters polled did indicate their preferred result was a Labor government win. Read the OP, Andrei.

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[quote author=MOTR link=1364527170/0#0 date=1364527170]Like all recent polls, the JWS poll is predicting a massive Coalition victory. However, 53 per cent of all voters in marginal seats want Labor to win the election, whereas just 43 per cent want the Coalition to win.

What do you make of this anomoly.




and on the actual SUBSTANTIATED part of the poll it showed the 2PP was almost 60/40 and a 80 seat abbot majority.

forget that bit, did you?
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Reply #29 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 2:20pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 11:49am:
Can I genuinely ask you MOTR why you are so worried about Labor losing the coming election?

You have posted a number of pro Labor threads (the pinnacle being the embarrassing misleading poll one) and I just wonder why you appear so desperate they turn around their fortunes?


And why are YOU so concerned with the Coalition NOT winning the next election?
You don't even live in the freaking country!!!!

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