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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #30 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 2:20pm

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 1:02pm:

Voters are focused on the economy MOTR. That's why Labor is going down the tubes without a snorkel.Believe it, accept it and learn to live with an Abbott govt.

Actually, no.

They're focused on the LIBERAL version of the economy, which bears no relationship to the ACTUAL economy.

And their ridiculous perception of our supposed 'insurmountable' debt.

In fact, if their perception goes anywhere NEAR the tripe posted by some on here, I'd say they're not intelligent
and/or informed enough to be allowed to vote.

Some of the 'righties' on here CERTAINLY aren't.

A major portion of the Con-alition's 'support' doesn't come from those who want a Con-alition govt, it's from
those who DON'T want Gillard and her slimy cohorts.

I can see the stupidity and gullibility the electorate displayed in 1975 being re-enacted in 2013.

Wonder how long it'll take them THIS time to realise they backed the wrong horse?

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #31 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 2:24pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 1:17pm:

All governments go to the people with broken promises and cock ups. However, few go to the people in such a healthy economic position. When it comes to the crunch the economy puts the competency of the government into some sort of perspective.

Are people going to risk the economy's levers to the economically illiterate Abbott.

He has an economics degree plus was a senior member of the former govt who ran the economy far better. in the meantime Swan has managed the worst debt and worst deficits EVER.

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #32 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 2:27pm

Kat wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 2:20pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 1:02pm:

Voters are focused on the economy MOTR. That's why Labor is going down the tubes without a snorkel.Believe it, accept it and learn to live with an Abbott govt.

Actually, no.

They're focused on the LIBERAL version of the economy, which bears no relationship to the ACTUAL economy.

And their ridiculous perception of our supposed 'insurmountable' debt.

In fact, if their perception goes anywhere NEAR the tripe posted by some on here, I'd say they're not intelligent
and/or informed enough to be allowed to vote.

Some of the 'righties' on here CERTAINLY aren't.

A major portion of the Con-alition's 'support' doesn't come from those who want a Con-alition govt, it's from
those who DON'T want Gillard and her slimy cohorts.

I can see the stupidity and gullibility the electorate displayed in 1975 being re-enacted in 2013.

Wonder how long it'll take them THIS time to realise they backed the wrong horse?

if history is any guide, 9-15 years.

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #33 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 2:29pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 1:26pm:

And you know exactly the sh1t we'd be in if they were running surpluses for the same period of time. The economy is in a healthy position because they were prepared to run a countercyclical fiscal policy.

except it isnt counter-cyclical. that would imply a desire and capacity to return to the black, neither of which labor has demonstrated. all labor has done is what they ALWAYS do which is to spend like a drunken sailor and then ask someone else to pay the bills.

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Reply #34 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 2:31pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 1:36pm:

Gillard's economic advisor praising his own work

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http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stephen-koukoulas-2836682.html

Between October 2010 and July 2011, he was economic policy advisor to the Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

the guy already has a deeply discredited past and some of his blogs and articles are frankly factually incorrect as well as analytically dubious.

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #35 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 2:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 1:36pm:

Gillard's economic advisor praising his own work

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http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stephen-koukoulas-2836682.html

Between October 2010 and July 2011, he was economic policy advisor to the Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

the guy already has a deeply discredited past and some of his blogs and articles are frankly factually incorrect as well as analytically dubious.

Should be easy for you to highlight the mistakes he is making.

Stop being so lazy, longy.

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #36 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:07pm

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in the meantime Swan has managed the worst debt and worst deficits EVER.

Please explain who/why we retain AAA rating from internationally acknowledged economic performance Judges? Take care melielongtime......they have an interest in protecting their integrity, so I would not just post something like, 'melielongtime know better than them.'

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #37 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:30pm

I can see the stupidity and gullibility the electorate displayed in 1975 being re-enacted in 2013.

Kat, in 1975 I was outraged by the dismissal. To a degree I still consider it as an act in contravention of parliamentary democracy.
But the voters didn't get it wrong. They got it wrong in 1974 by not voting Whitlam out then and limiting the damage.
The Whitlam govt was the most destructive event for our society up till the election of this present govt. The jury is still out on which will be judged the worst.
These days I am deeply grateful that our constitution allowed for those reserve powers in the Governor-General and that we had one with the courage to exercise them at great personal cost.

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #38 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:33pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:07pm:

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in the meantime Swan has managed the worst debt and worst deficits EVER.

Please explain who/why we retain AAA rating from internationally acknowledged economic performance Judges? Take care melielongtime......they have an interest in protecting their integrity, so I would not just post something like, 'melielongtime know better than them.'

Wink

They love people who have debt. They will bend over for you if you can keep paying for it.

Sounds like a bank to me.

Sounds like a false sense of success too, escpecially when the guy down the road has zero debt and thousands per month spare, but yet the banks dont chase him up to see if he needs a loan any more.

This example is all in line with why the liberals had to wait many many years to get AAA and never obtained 3 AAA's within their successful economic managment. Just like the guy down the road.

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #39 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:39pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 2:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 1:36pm:

Gillard's economic advisor praising his own work

Quote:

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stephen-koukoulas-2836682.html

Between October 2010 and July 2011, he was economic policy advisor to the Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

the guy already has a deeply discredited past and some of his blogs and articles are frankly factually incorrect as well as analytically dubious.

Should be easy for you to highlight the mistakes he is making.

Stop being so lazy, longy.

I will highlight on of his faux pas from the past. he claimed in an artlcle that Fraser left $40B in debt while treasury reports $9B.

And evne without this failing, he can hardly be called an impartial observer since he was Gillards economic adviser. He is hardly going to criticise his own advice!

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #40 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:41pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:07pm:

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in the meantime Swan has managed the worst debt and worst deficits EVER.

Please explain who/why we retain AAA rating from internationally acknowledged economic performance Judges? Take care melielongtime......they have an interest in protecting their integrity, so I would not just post something like, 'melielongtime know better than them.'

Wink

they are actually internationally CRITICISED. Lehman bros had a AAA rating and Greece had one until not that long ago. The ratings agencies missed the GFC and have been roundly criticized for their assessments of banks. The AAA rating is deserved, but not because these clowns give it.

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #41 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:42pm

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:30pm:

I can see the stupidity and gullibility the electorate displayed in 1975 being re-enacted in 2013.

Kat, in 1975 I was outraged by the dismissal. To a degree I still consider it as an act in contravention of parliamentary democracy.
But the voters didn't get it wrong. They got it wrong in 1974 by not voting Whitlam out then and limiting the damage.
The Whitlam govt was the most destructive event for our society up till the election of this present govt. The jury is still out on which will be judged the worst.
These days I am deeply grateful that our constitution allowed for those reserve powers in the Governor-General and that we had one with the courage to exercise them at great personal cost.

amen! thats why reserve powers exist so that in the event of a situation like that there is an election.

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #42 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:52pm

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they are actually internationally CRITICISED.

Evidence please.

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Lehman bros had a AAA rating and Greece had one until not that long ago.

Evidence please.

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The ratings agencies missed the GFC and have been roundly criticized for their assessments of banks. The AAA rating is deserved, but not because these clowns give it.

..........and to round it off.......evidence please.

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #43 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 4:02pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:52pm:

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they are actually internationally CRITICISED.

Evidence please.

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Lehman bros had a AAA rating and Greece had one until not that long ago.

Evidence please.

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The ratings agencies missed the GFC and have been roundly criticized for their assessments of banks. The AAA rating is deserved, but not because these clowns give it.

..........and to round it off.......evidence please.

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research it yourself you twit. is your memory that bad that events of a mere 4-5 years ago have fallen out of your skull?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38763 Gender:	Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win. Reply #44 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 4:26pm I knew I had named him well as melielongtime: Quote: research it yourself you twit. is your memory that bad that events of a mere 4-5 years ago have fallen out of your skull? Run away melielongtime. Makes all the assertions, and just cannot back them up with evidence.
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