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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #45 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:29pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:26pm:
I knew I had named him well as melielongtime:

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research it yourself you twit. is your memory that bad that events of a mere 4-5 years ago have fallen out of your skull?


Run away melielongtime.  Makes all the assertions, and just cannot back them up with evidence.

Wink


and you lack the courage to disprove me and simply poke out your tongue and pretend you make a cogent argument. this could be why in any debate of substance you are nowhere to be seen.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #46 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:48pm
 
It's easy melielongtime.  You made the unsubstantiated claims..............and as is typical of liars like you......you run away from your assertions.  All good.

Wink

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #47 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:50pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:48pm:
It's easy melielongtime.  You made the unsubstantiated claims..............and as is typical of liars like you......you run away from your assertions.  All good.

Wink



well there's the rub. your opinion is pretty worthless since you never make an actual contribution of substance to any thread or topic. we dont get to criticise the content of your posts because there never is any content to criticise.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #48 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:58pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:50pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:48pm:
It's easy melielongtime.  You made the unsubstantiated claims..............and as is typical of liars like you......you run away from your assertions.  All good.

Wink



well there's the rub. your opinion is pretty worthless since you never make an actual contribution of substance to any thread or topic. we dont get to criticise the content of your posts because there never is any content to criticise.


Yes, I am almost Abbott like, do you think?

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #49 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:04pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 12:40pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 11:49am:
Can I genuinely ask you MOTR why you are so worried about Labor losing the coming election?

You have posted a number of pro Labor threads (the pinnacle being the embarrassing misleading poll one) and I just wonder why you appear so desperate they turn around their fortunes?


why are you so desperate to see Gillard sink? Please don't say its because of any negative effect this govt. may have had on you ... you don't live in country and didn't pay any taxes ... any effect on you is negligible at best. We also know it's not because you care about the country ...  it's obvious you don't

Is it because of the millions of $$ in grants Abbott has promised your employer in the US?



bump for Andrei
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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #50 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:04pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:58pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:50pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:48pm:
It's easy melielongtime.  You made the unsubstantiated claims..............and as is typical of liars like you......you run away from your assertions.  All good.

Wink



well there's the rub. your opinion is pretty worthless since you never make an actual contribution of substance to any thread or topic. we dont get to criticise the content of your posts because there never is any content to criticise.


Yes, I am almost Abbott like, do you think?

Wink


Grin Grin Grin
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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #51 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 9:52pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 2:24pm:
He has an economics degree plus was a senior member of the former govt who ran the economy far better. in the meantime Swan has managed the worst debt and worst deficits EVER.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 2:29pm:
except it isnt counter-cyclical. that would imply a desire and capacity to return to the black, neither of which labor has demonstrated. all labor has done is what they ALWAYS do which is to spend like a drunken sailor and then ask someone else to pay the bills.


I am curious longweekend. Do you know the history of the Great Depression of 1929/1930? Are you aware of the Keynesian theory of what happens in a deep recession that affects several countries and what to do about it? The idea is that when the financial system starts failing, banks stop lending and companies start making employees redundant, there is less money in the economy. The economy shrinks. The government needs to stimulate the economy to keep it going, so people will keep spending, so there won't be runs on banks, companies won't fire as many people and unemployment doesn't rise to dangerous levels.

In order to do that, it has to use up whatever surplus it has and run a deficit. I agree that some of the Rudd/Gillard Government's policies were silly, shoddy, unnecessary and just ill-conceived, but some of the debt was necessary. Now that Australia is recovering from the GFC, it doesn't need to stimulate the economy as much. Australia is ready to pay back the debt.

I just think Wayne Swan was stupid for promising a return to the surplus because the state of the world economy was still very uncertain. There was no guarantee you'd have the same demand from China, or that you would get the revenue from the MRRT that you wanted. Wayne Swan was an idiot to be so optimistic. He should have kept his mouth shut. He should have been more conservative. When there's so much economic turmoil in Europe, you don't go around promising a surplus here.

The Gillard/Swan Government is incompetent not because they can't keep Australia's economy going, but because they keep making stupid promises. They are so indecisive. Their policies keep having to be revised. They're erratic and have no consistent direction.
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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #52 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 9:58pm
 
Kat wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 2:20pm:
They're focused on the LIBERAL version of the economy, which bears no relationship to the ACTUAL economy.

And their ridiculous perception of our supposed 'insurmountable' debt.

In fact, if their perception goes anywhere NEAR the tripe posted by some on here, I'd say they're not intelligent
and/or informed enough to be allowed to vote.

Some of the 'righties' on here CERTAINLY aren't.

A major portion of the Con-alition's  'support' doesn't come from those who want a Con-alition govt, it's from
those who DON'T want Gillard and her slimy cohorts.

I can see the stupidity and gullibility the electorate displayed in 1975 being re-enacted in 2013.

Wonder how long it'll take them THIS time to realise they backed the wrong horse?


The problem with the Gillard/Swan Government today is their failure at public relations. Going in to debt to deal with the GFC is understandable, but they promised a surplus and didn't deliver one. Do you remember what Paul Keating said when asked why we had a recession? He said it was "a recession we had to have." What did people think back then? It was a stupid thing to say. He mismanaged the situation. The Keating government applied the stimulus too late. Keating stuffed up and tried to say it wasn't his fault. It's not like he couldn't have done anything about it.

Now here it is again. Wayne Swan says something really stupid and now the Labor Government is suffering the consequences. If you're in government and your polls are bad, there is no margin for error. It doesn't matter how well the economy is doing relative to the rest of the world. If it was really doing so well, people expect much more from this government. A country that is doing so well relative to other developed countries should not have such an incompetent government. You would think the Gillard/Swan Government would have taken advantage of this opportunity to polish their reputation, but they wasted it.
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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #53 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 10:11pm
 
MOTR wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:17pm:
All governments go to the people with broken promises and cock ups. However, few go to the people in such a healthy economic position. When it comes to the crunch the economy puts the competency of the government into some sort of perspective.

Are people going to risk the economy's levers to the economically illiterate Abbott.




They certainly are.
Rather the Coalition than incompetent Labor.
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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #54 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 10:38pm
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 10:11pm:
MOTR wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:17pm:
All governments go to the people with broken promises and cock ups. However, few go to the people in such a healthy economic position. When it comes to the crunch the economy puts the competency of the government into some sort of perspective.

Are people going to risk the economy's levers to the economically illiterate Abbott.




They certainly are.
Rather the Coalition than incompetent Labor.


I can't wait to tell Gillard how pleased I am  Wink
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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #55 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 10:49pm
 
namnugenot wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 10:38pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 10:11pm:
MOTR wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:17pm:
All governments go to the people with broken promises and cock ups. However, few go to the people in such a healthy economic position. When it comes to the crunch the economy puts the competency of the government into some sort of perspective.

Are people going to risk the economy's levers to the economically illiterate Abbott.




They certainly are.
Rather the Coalition than incompetent Labor.


I can't wait to tell Gillard how pleased I am  Wink


I might even do it twice  Grin
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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #56 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 2:41am
 
MOTR wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 2:54pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 2:31pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:36pm:
Gillard's economic advisor praising his own work


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http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stephen-koukoulas-2836682.html

Between October 2010 and July 2011, he was economic policy advisor to the Prime Minister Julia Gillard.


the guy already has a deeply discredited past and some of his blogs and articles are frankly factually incorrect as well as analytically dubious.


Should be easy for you to highlight the mistakes he is making.

Stop being so lazy, longy.



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If the electorate focuses on the economy as it votes at the Federal election on September 14, the Labor Party should win.

An era of rising wealth, sustained solid growth, near full employment and on-going lift in living standards are the material that should get an incumbent reelected.


Looking at the polls - the voters are concerned most about the cost of living and they have given the LIBs 2PP 58/42

Rising wealth compared to the LIBs era is bad

Sustained growth - only 15% for the 5 years is terrible

Near full employment - under the LIBs it was 4% now it's at 5.5% under Labor

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number
 
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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #57 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 4:02am
 
See how the Libs have airbrushed the GFC out of existence. Good one, Maqqa.

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Re: If voters focus on the economy, Labor will win.
Reply #58 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 7:49am
 
MOTR wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 4:02am:


You seem terribly desperate Motr
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Reply #59 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:08am
 
namnugenot wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 7:49am:
MOTR wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 4:02am:


You seem terribly desperate Motr



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