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Reply #15 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:13pm
 
muso wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:00pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 6:06pm:
What is the point of AGW denialist flat earth clowns even engaging in a conversation in this thread?


Something might click. You never know. Just don't stoop to the level of insult.  With a newspaper like The Australian publishing fiction, I'm not surprised.



...and lets not forget the worlds most sublime Intellectual Giant Mr Andrew Bolt

I know that  I am relying on Bolt's integrity, honesty and compassion for his fellow man to formulate my opinions on the REAL causes of Global warming and its climatic implications.

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Re: NASA - co2 most efficient coolant
Reply #16 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:25pm
 
muso wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 5:46pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 5:38pm:
I was going to answer your previous question, but glad I decided to have a peek further down.  Wink Huh


So what's the bottom line? Is it GOOD NASA or BAD NASA?

Guess you will never know, but atleast you can make it up.
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Reply #17 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 8:22am
 
Andrew Bolt and Lord Monckton - the only authorities that should be consulted on the AGW issue

I suggest that you do a literature search to see if you can find anything important published by these two supreme GLOBAL geniuses and men of integrity and honesty in the peer reviewed scientific journals
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Re: NASA - co2 most efficient coolant
Reply #18 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 5:09pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 11:23pm:
What do you make of this NASA report

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For the three day period, March 8th through 10th, the thermosphere absorbed 26 billion kWh of energy.  Infrared radiation from CO2 and NO, the two most efficient coolants in the thermosphere, re-radiated 95% of that total back into space.




So in the lower atmosphere where the main source of infrared is the earth itself 95% it reflected back to the earth?
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Reply #19 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 5:49pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 8:22am:
Andrew Bolt and Lord Monckton - the only authorities that should be consulted on the AGW issue

I suggest that you do a literature search to see if you can find anything important published by these two supreme GLOBAL geniuses and men of integrity and honesty in the peer reviewed scientific journals


Like Marcott and Mann?? Or other useful idiots for the cause.
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Reply #20 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 8:05pm
 
catprog wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 5:09pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 11:23pm:
What do you make of this NASA report

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For the three day period, March 8th through 10th, the thermosphere absorbed 26 billion kWh of energy.  Infrared radiation from CO2 and NO, the two most efficient coolants in the thermosphere, re-radiated 95% of that total back into space.




So in the lower atmosphere where the main source of infrared is the earth itself 95% it reflected back to the earth?


I'm not quite sure what you mean by "reflected" in this context.  This has nothing to do with reflection for one thing. You'll have to ask that question more clearly. Are you asking if 95% of long wave IR is  absorbed in the lower atmosphere?

The article was talking about solar flares, and the dynamics are a bit different.
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Reply #21 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 8:22pm
 
muso wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 8:05pm:
catprog wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 5:09pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 11:23pm:
What do you make of this NASA report

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For the three day period, March 8th through 10th, the thermosphere absorbed 26 billion kWh of energy.  Infrared radiation from CO2 and NO, the two most efficient coolants in the thermosphere, re-radiated 95% of that total back into space.




So in the lower atmosphere where the main source of infrared is the earth itself 95% it reflected back to the earth?


I'm not quite sure what you mean by "reflected" in this context.  This has nothing to do with reflection for one thing. You'll have to ask that question more clearly. Are you asking if 95% of long wave IR is  absorbed in the lower atmosphere?

The article was talking about solar flares, and the dynamics are a bit different.


Sorry I misread the OP I meant re-radiated.
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Reply #22 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 8:56pm
 
OK, I'll try to answer. I think your question relates to the greenhouse effect as it applies to longwave infrared radiation  rather than the effect of the a solar flare hitting the Earth. Solar flares tend to cover a wide spectrum, so a whole lot of other variables come into play.

Think about the photons of longwave infrared being radiated from the Earth. As they travel up through the atmospheric column they can either go straight through into space, or if they happen to hit a greenhouse gas molecule, they are absorbed and re-radiated in a random direction.

In the lower atmosphere, the most significant greenhouse gas is water vapour, followed by carbon dioxide. Above a certain altitude, the water dewpoint is extremely low due to
the lower temperature, and carbon dioxide becomes the dominant greenhouse gas.

Now it's more complex than that, because the vast majority of radiation comes from the atmosphere itself. The energy is largely transferred from the Earth's surface to the atmosphere and clouds by thermal convection processes rather than radiation, because most of the  IR radiated from the Earth's surface is absorbed.  Convective process account for roughly ten times the energy transfer of radiation in the lower atmosphere.

As the LWIR photons travel up through the atmospheric column, several variables change which affect the proportion of radiation that ends up in space.

Without going much further, can you see that the same convection factors don't apply in the same way when the radiation is incident from a solar flare.  In terms of the action of greenhouse gases in the upper atmosphere, it's pretty similar, although the geometry is different. 

Does that make sense so far?


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