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Reply #330 - May 30^th, 2015 at 8:32am

Dnarever wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 8:23am:

Its time wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

At least christoper pyne can finally come out of the cupboard, he reminds me a bit of thorpe who evidently was the last person to know he was gay .

Must be interesting for Hissy fit transiting between the cupboard and the cabinet.

who knows maybe Gillard will own up to being a dyke.. and Timmy will go back to hairdressing in Oxford St.

it could release a hole bag of tricks...

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Reply #331 - May 30^th, 2015 at 9:31am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 8:12am:

Never understood why some take such delight in trampling over traditional social values.

I agree with Andrei....

It seems a modern sport to see how many rules you can break - look at our politicians acting like children and seeing how far they can go before there are consequences... never learned the boundaries of civilised behaviour....... and there are no real consequences for them, Julia Gillard's crocodile tears at being ousted regardless.

"Oh, woe is me! Booted out of the top seat and forced to retire on a mere half a mill indexed for life and parade myself on the lecture circuit to the hordes of silly little girls in women's bodies who actually lap that s#it up... good little earner!"

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2212 Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #332 - May 30^th, 2015 at 9:39am This is one big yawn. Personally? No. The wife and I are happy enough with the marriage we have. For gay people? OK why not? Just stop talking about it already.
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85161 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #333 - May 30^th, 2015 at 9:41am John_Taverner wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 9:39am: This is one big yawn. Personally? No. The wife and I are happy enough with the marriage we have. For gay people? OK why not? Just stop talking about it already. My sentiments exactly.... this entire non-issue generates far too much hot air over nothing real.
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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #334 - May 30^th, 2015 at 11:43am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

John_Taverner wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 9:39am:

This is one big yawn.

Personally? No. The wife and I are happy enough with the marriage we have.

For gay people? OK why not? Just stop talking about it already.

My sentiments exactly.... this entire non-issue generates far too much hot air over nothing real.

tell Bill the Dill that.. Roll Eyes

.. you know full well he will do/say anything for attention... Grin

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Reply #335 - May 30^th, 2015 at 12:47pm

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

Dnarever wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 8:23am:

Its time wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

At least christoper pyne can finally come out of the cupboard, he reminds me a bit of thorpe who evidently was the last person to know he was gay .

Must be interesting for Hissy fit transiting between the cupboard and the cabinet.

who knows maybe Gillard will own up to being a dyke.. and Timmy will go back to hairdressing in Oxford St.

it could release a hole bag of tricks...

I could see your imagination throwing a party.

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Reply #336 - May 30^th, 2015 at 3:52pm

Rev Dr Michael Jensen, rector at St Mark’s Anglican Church, Darling Point, says there are reasons to oppose same-sex marriage that aren’t bigotry:

There are those in favour of change, we are told, and then there are the bigots. But simply saying “it’s time” doesn’t make an argument. Neither does the need to keep up with the O’Haras, the Smiths, and the Pedersens… It is not even the case that “all the surveys say Australians want it” is a sufficient argument. The surveys say that Australians want capital punishment. Wisely, our politicians don’t listen to surveys on that issue (and I agree with them). They should exercise leadership, not follow opinion.

Could it be that if you haven’t heard the case opposing a change to the marriage law, it is because the language of those advocating it has been so emotive that the contrary case can’t be heard above the noise? ...

In order to offer the status of marriage to couples of the same sex, the very meaning of marriage has to be changed. In which case, what same-sex couples will have will not be the same as what differently sexed couples now have. It will be called marriage, but it won’t be marriage as we know it. It won’t be “marriage equality”: it will be an entirely new thing.

This is where Bill Shorten again misunderstands what marriage is. As we now understand it, marriage is not merely the expression of a love people have for each other. It is, or is intended as, a life-long union between two people who exemplify the biological duality of the human race, with the openness to welcoming children into the world. Even when children do not arrive, the differentiated twoness of marriage indicates its inherent structure.

Now, I didn’t pluck this definition from the sky, nor is it simply a piece of religious teaching. It is the meaning of marriage that emerges from all human cultures as they reflect on and experience what it is to be male and female. It is only in the last 15 years that anyone has seriously thought differently.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-28/jensen-i-oppose-same-sex-marriage-and-no-i...

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #337 - May 30^th, 2015 at 4:05pm How mad are the righties going to be when home and away and neighbours have gay marriages, they might have to tune in to ABC and SBS with the other grown ups
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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #338 - May 30^th, 2015 at 4:44pm

Its time wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 4:05pm:

How mad are the righties going to be when home and away and neighbours have gay marriages, they might have to tune in to ABC and SBS with the other grown ups Grin

are you claiming those AGAINST all vote right????>..

really...

better wait until they tell us how the house voted.... Roll Eyes

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on reading the threads for a few years all the gays on here are lefties..

nothing wrong with that of course

..so I am sure they are in with a chance....here is one righty who couldnt give a fig...

I think the country has far more important things to deal with....

but you guys can make a BIG deal out of it for sure...

its basically all you have got isnt it? Roll Eyes

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Reply #339 - May 30^th, 2015 at 5:48pm

Soren wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Rev Dr Michael Jensen, rector at St Mark’s Anglican Church, Darling Point, says there are reasons to oppose same-sex marriage that aren’t bigotry:

There are those in favour of change, we are told, and then there are the bigots. But simply saying “it’s time” doesn’t make an argument. Neither does the need to keep up with the O’Haras, the Smiths, and the Pedersens… It is not even the case that “all the surveys say Australians want it” is a sufficient argument. The surveys say that Australians want capital punishment. Wisely, our politicians don’t listen to surveys on that issue (and I agree with them). They should exercise leadership, not follow opinion.

Could it be that if you haven’t heard the case opposing a change to the marriage law, it is because the language of those advocating it has been so emotive that the contrary case can’t be heard above the noise? ...

In order to offer the status of marriage to couples of the same sex, the very meaning of marriage has to be changed. In which case, what same-sex couples will have will not be the same as what differently sexed couples now have. It will be called marriage, but it won’t be marriage as we know it. It won’t be “marriage equality”: it will be an entirely new thing.

This is where Bill Shorten again misunderstands what marriage is. As we now understand it, marriage is not merely the expression of a love people have for each other. It is, or is intended as, a life-long union between two people who exemplify the biological duality of the human race, with the openness to welcoming children into the world. Even when children do not arrive, the differentiated twoness of marriage indicates its inherent structure.

Now, I didn’t pluck this definition from the sky, nor is it simply a piece of religious teaching. It is the meaning of marriage that emerges from all human cultures as they reflect on and experience what it is to be male and female. It is only in the last 15 years that anyone has seriously thought differently.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-28/jensen-i-oppose-same-sex-marriage-and-no-i...

it is a good point. in effect. gays cannot have marriage period because the very definition of the term precludes them.

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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #340 - May 30^th, 2015 at 5:59pm

Soren wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Rev Dr Michael Jensen, rector at St Mark’s Anglican Church, Darling Point, says there are reasons to oppose same-sex marriage that aren’t bigotry:

There are those in favour of change, we are told, and then there are the bigots. But simply saying “it’s time” doesn’t make an argument. Neither does the need to keep up with the O’Haras, the Smiths, and the Pedersens… It is not even the case that “all the surveys say Australians want it” is a sufficient argument. The surveys say that Australians want capital punishment. Wisely, our politicians don’t listen to surveys on that issue (and I agree with them). They should exercise leadership, not follow opinion.

Could it be that if you haven’t heard the case opposing a change to the marriage law, it is because the language of those advocating it has been so emotive that the contrary case can’t be heard above the noise? ...

In order to offer the status of marriage to couples of the same sex, the very meaning of marriage has to be changed. In which case, what same-sex couples will have will not be the same as what differently sexed couples now have. It will be called marriage, but it won’t be marriage as we know it. It won’t be “marriage equality”: it will be an entirely new thing.

This is where Bill Shorten again misunderstands what marriage is. As we now understand it, marriage is not merely the expression of a love people have for each other. It is, or is intended as, a life-long union between two people who exemplify the biological duality of the human race, with the openness to welcoming children into the world. Even when children do not arrive, the differentiated twoness of marriage indicates its inherent structure.

Now, I didn’t pluck this definition from the sky, nor is it simply a piece of religious teaching. It is the meaning of marriage that emerges from all human cultures as they reflect on and experience what it is to be male and female. It is only in the last 15 years that anyone has seriously thought differently.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-28/jensen-i-oppose-same-sex-marriage-and-no-i...

Good to see you keeping up with the latest Queer Theorists, dear boy.

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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #341 - May 31^st, 2015 at 11:23am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

John_Taverner wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 9:39am:

This is one big yawn.

Personally? No. The wife and I are happy enough with the marriage we have.

For gay people? OK why not? Just stop talking about it already.

My sentiments exactly.... this entire non-issue generates far too much hot air over nothing real.

So changing one of the Cornerstones of human society is "nothing" or a "non-issue"? Really?
Cheesy

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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #342 - May 31^st, 2015 at 11:28am

Grendel wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 11:23am:

So changing one of the Cornerstones of human society is "nothing" or a "non-issue"? Really?
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

there is no change to any 'corner stone of society', and it is a non issue.

If they allow gay marriage you'll still be married, any other hetro couple still be able to marry, nothing changes unless you are gay .. get over it ... a lot of hoopla over nothing.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #343 - May 31^st, 2015 at 11:32am Grendel wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 11:23am: So changing one of the Cornerstones of human society is "nothing" or a "non-issue"? Really? We've changed marriage in the past before, very drastically. Do you have an issue with previous changes to marriage law?
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Reply #344 - May 31^st, 2015 at 11:34am

Stratos wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 11:32am:

Grendel wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 11:23am:

So changing one of the Cornerstones of human society is "nothing" or a "non-issue"? Really?

We've changed marriage in the past before, very drastically. Do you have an issue with previous changes to marriage law?

he's still upset they banned marriage between family members

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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