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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85161 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #390 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:19pm Neferti is correct - people living together and proven to be so are treated as a couple legally - all this 'marriage' thing is in reality is just demanding what is not available and posing it as a 'right' when it is nothing of the kind.
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Reply #391 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:20pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Neferti wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 5:48pm:

The whole thing is that Homosexuals, Lesbians and De Factos (common Law marriages) have ALL come under the same Legislation for 20+ YEARS!

Live with someone for just 18 MONTHS and they can have a half share of what you have, if you break up. Including your Superannuation, inheritances and so forth. This is Australian LAW.

The homosexuals are on a different planet. It is NOT marriage. They can already get what they want. It is a MINORITY Group winning over the rest of us. So bugger them.

Was that intended for to be accompanied by a rim-shot?

I always thought Skyrim was a sort of Mile High Club thing.... seems it's a video game or something... Cheesy

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Reply #392 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

Neferti is correct - people living together and proven to be so are treated as a couple legally - all this 'marriage' thing is in reality is just demanding what is not available and posing it as a 'right' when it is nothing of the kind.

But why shouldn't gay people be allowed to get married???

Huh

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Reply #393 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm

I am absolutely sure that a "defacto relationship" regardless of a "couple type" living together come under the same FAMILY LAW as those who "married" in a Church or otherwise and have done for eons. Marriage has nothing to do with it. Read the Legislation.

When they separate, homosexuals already get the same treatment as any other "couple" regardless of whether they are "married in a Church" or whatever. De facto couples (2x males, 2x females, or one of each) after 18 months of co-habiting can then sue for 50% of whatever. Believe me. Wink

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A de facto relationship is defined in Section 4AA of the Family Law Act 1975. The law requires that you and your former partner, who may be of the same or opposite sex, had a relationship as a couple living together on a genuine domestic basis.

Homosexuals (male or female) are not wanting EQUALITY ... they already have that via Family Law. What they want is a minority (of green and labor voters) gaining something over the "conservatives". There can't be any other reason. They already get the SAME LAW applying to them as married (male + female) relationships.

It's a farce.

http://www.familycourt.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/fcoaweb/family-law-matters/separat...

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Reply #394 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

Neferti is correct - people living together and proven to be so are treated as a couple legally - all this 'marriage' thing is in reality is just demanding what is not available and posing it as a 'right' when it is nothing of the kind.

But why shouldn't gay people be allowed to get married???

Huh

Because they don't fit the definition of 'a man and a woman'.... unless a gay marries a lesbian.

I'm not licensed to fly a 747 either..... just happens to be that way.

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Reply #395 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:44pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

Neferti is correct - people living together and proven to be so are treated as a couple legally - all this 'marriage' thing is in reality is just demanding what is not available and posing it as a 'right' when it is nothing of the kind.

But why shouldn't gay people be allowed to get married???

Huh

Because they don't fit the definition of 'a man and a woman'.... unless a gay marries a lesbian.

I'm not licensed to fly a 747 either..... just happens to be that way.

But man and woman haven't always had the definitions we have now. Woman once meant a young girl.

Definitions adapt and change. They are flexible.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35551 Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #396 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:46pm ... and you could become a licensed pilot if you wanted to, probably. You have that choice.
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Reply #397 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:48pm

The POINT is that homosexuals can already get the exact same LAW as the rest of us can. Many people do NOT get married these days, they co-habit and have kids. Knowing that the LAW looks after them regardless.

Gay Marriage Saga is just that. Leftards trying to get the rightards agreeing.

I honestly do NOT care. Angus Coote and other jewellers have wedding rings that you can buy, they don't ask for a certificate.

Bunch of nonsense and another leftard diversion on more important stuff.

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Reply #398 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:56pm

Neferti wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:48pm:

The POINT is that homosexuals can already get the exact same LAW as the rest of us can. Many people do NOT get married these days, they co-habit and have kids. Knowing that the LAW looks after them regardless.

Gay Marriage Saga is just that. Leftards trying to get the rightards agreeing.

I honestly do NOT care. Angus Coote and other jewellers have wedding rings that you can buy, they don't ask for a certificate.

Bunch of nonsense and another leftard diversion on more important stuff.

But tbey want the same as everyone else has. They want the same rights. Despite understanding common law, they want the right to marriage.

It wouldn't be a drama at all if we just let them. Like so much of the world is doing.

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Reply #399 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:59pm

Neferti wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:48pm:

The POINT is that homosexuals can already get the exact same LAW as the rest of us can. Many people do NOT get married these days, they co-habit and have kids. Knowing that the LAW looks after them regardless.

Gay Marriage Saga is just that. Leftards trying to get the rightards agreeing.

I honestly do NOT care. Angus Coote and other jewellers have wedding rings that you can buy, they don't ask for a certificate.

Bunch of nonsense and another leftard diversion on more important stuff.

indeed, 90 % of 'real' australia, in the suburbs and the regions are more interested in whether they should have BBQ sauce or tomato sauce on their meal tonight.
typical ABC SBS rubbish.
as bad as when they show womens cricket , nobody cares, just shut up and let us watch The Footy Show in peace.

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Reply #400 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:03pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 5:46pm:

Everyone in society should have the same rights as anyone else....I don't see what is so hard to understand....I have not seen one rational argument against Gay Marriage!!!

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How simplistic of you Phil.
It's not about equal rights.
Marriage is the union of a man and a woman.
Not 2 women or 2 men...
Men can marry women and women can marry me... that's equal isn't it?

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Ireland is one of only 19 other countries – most in Western Europe – which have redefined marriage. However, the overwhelming majority of countries around the world, including every country in Asia, the countries of the South Pacific and almost all in Africa, still define marriage as the union of one man and one woman, intended for life.

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The size of the vote in Ireland reflected the relatively small size of the country, with only about 3.5 million adult voters, of whom about 60 per cent cast a ballot.

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In contrast, over recent years there have been 39 state referenda on marriage in the United States in which 84.5 million Americans have voted 61:39 for marriage defined as the union of a man and a woman.

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As marriage is redefined to accommodate same-sex couples, this reinforces the irrelevance of marriage to parenthood. Elsewhere, same-sex marriage is an instigator for the casualisation of heterosexual unions and separation of marriage and parenthood.

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Despite assurances to the contrary the consequences of a vote in favour are far-reaching. In the United States wedding businesses are already being hit with heavy fines and threats of imprisonment for refusing to supply services for same-sex weddings.

A vote in favour of tolerance is likely ultimately to result in a regime of intolerance against anyone who holds religious beliefs or moral precepts that support a multi-millennial-aged institution that underpins society as we know it.

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Reply #401 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:06pm

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Neferti wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:48pm:

The POINT is that homosexuals can already get the exact same LAW as the rest of us can. Many people do NOT get married these days, they co-habit and have kids. Knowing that the LAW looks after them regardless.

Gay Marriage Saga is just that. Leftards trying to get the rightards agreeing.

I honestly do NOT care. Angus Coote and other jewellers have wedding rings that you can buy, they don't ask for a certificate.

Bunch of nonsense and another leftard diversion on more important stuff.

But tbey want the same as everyone else has. They want the same rights. Despite understanding common law, they want the right to marriage.

It wouldn't be a drama at all if we just let them. Like so much of the world is doing.

You mean a minority of a minority, want to toss millennia of tradition and accepted mores on it's head and call something something it is not...

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Reply #402 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:06pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Neferti wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:48pm:

The POINT is that homosexuals can already get the exact same LAW as the rest of us can. Many people do NOT get married these days, they co-habit and have kids. Knowing that the LAW looks after them regardless.

Gay Marriage Saga is just that. Leftards trying to get the rightards agreeing.

I honestly do NOT care. Angus Coote and other jewellers have wedding rings that you can buy, they don't ask for a certificate.

Bunch of nonsense and another leftard diversion on more important stuff.

But tbey want the same as everyone else has. They want the same rights. Despite understanding common law, they want the right to marriage.

It wouldn't be a drama at all if we just let them. Like so much of the world is doing.

You mean a minority of a minority, want to toss millennia of tradition and accepted mores on it's head and call something something it is not...

If it helps you in some way to diminish everything this means to people to that 'explanation' Grendel to brace yourself for inevitability of same sex marrige becoming a thing, then sure ... that's what i mean.

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Reply #403 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:19pm

Look I see no reason to change the language and marriage act just because a few people are so insecure they need to have their relationship called a marriage. Give me a break what a shallow, thoughtless thing to want. the "I want it because they have it" mentality is pathetic.

If I was gay I wouldn't want to get married... because that is the union of a man and a woman. i'd accept that. I'd accept that my sexual preference precludes me from that.

Most gays I know in no way want anything to do with it, they tell me it is just a very small minority and that the agenda is being driven by LW progressives with a hard-on for change no matter what it may be.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35551 Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #404 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm Irrespective of what you think or want, this will eventually become a thing. You're swimming against the tide.
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