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Reply #405 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Irrespective of what you think or want, this will eventually become a thing.

You're swimming against the tide.

I'm not swimming anywhere.
Did you fail to read that most of the world do not have gay marriage. want me to post the facts for you again.
I already stated BTW that the only way it will have legitimacy is if we all get to vote on it.
BTW I am allowed to have an opinion on this as it is a major social change. thank you very much.

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Reply #406 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:35pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Irrespective of what you think or want, this will eventually become a thing.

You're swimming against the tide.

I'm not swimming anywhere.
Did you fail to read that most of the world do not have gay marriage. want me to post the facts for you again.
I already stated BTW that the only way it will have legitimacy is if we all get to vote on it.
BTW I am allowed to have an opinion on this as it is a major social change. thank you very much.

Opine away. But you're flogging a dead horse.

... and people try to blame the left for keeping this topical. Roll Eyes

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #407 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:38pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 1^st, 2015 at 11:12pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 8:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 8:22pm:

The homo marriage bill is tomorrow -

it must be the End Times.

Plebiscite... let the people decide - not those dumbasses the people elected since they had little to no choice.

I missed the news - what happened today -

did the poof marriage bill get passed or not?

I got the answer to day in the Australian -

Bill Shorten read his bill to an almost empty parliament.

The idea is gone & good riddance.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35551 Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #408 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:46pm Sorry to break it to you Bobby but it's far from over. It's just been suspended. It'll have passed by the end of the year. It was never going to be voted on yesterday, only introduced.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106447 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #409 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:47pm mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:46pm: Sorry to break it to you Bobby but it's far from over. It's just been suspended. It'll have passed by the end of the year. It was never going to be voted on yesterday, only introduced. You're either with us or you're with the homosexuals.
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Reply #410 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:48pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

Neferti is correct - people living together and proven to be so are treated as a couple legally - all this 'marriage' thing is in reality is just demanding what is not available and posing it as a 'right' when it is nothing of the kind.

But why shouldn't gay people be allowed to get married???

Huh

Because they don't fit the definition of 'a man and a woman'.... unless a gay marries a lesbian.

I'm not licensed to fly a 747 either..... just happens to be that way.

So your opposition is because of the definition....That can be easily changed!!!

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Reply #411 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:57pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 5:46pm:

Everyone in society should have the same rights as anyone else....I don't see what is so hard to understand....I have not seen one rational argument against Gay Marriage!!!

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How simplistic of you Phil.

Yet you still failed to understand!!!

It's not about equal rights.

Every man and woman has equal rights regardless of sexual orientation accept for the right to get married....Of course it is about equal rights!!!

Marriage is the union of a man and a woman.
Not 2 women or 2 men....

Which can easily be changed again!!!

Men can marry women and women can marry men... that's equal isn't it....

Apart from those who are excluded

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Ireland is one of only 19 other countries – most in Western Europe – which have redefined marriage. However, the overwhelming majority of countries around the world, including every country in Asia, the countries of the South Pacific and almost all in Africa, still define marriage as the union of one man and one woman, intended for life.

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The size of the vote in Ireland reflected the relatively small size of the country, with only about 3.5 million adult voters, of whom about 60 per cent cast a ballot.

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In contrast, over recent years there have been 39 state referenda on marriage in the United States in which 84.5 million Americans have voted 61:39 for marriage defined as the union of a man and a woman.

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As marriage is redefined to accommodate same-sex couples, this reinforces the irrelevance of marriage to parenthood. Elsewhere, same-sex marriage is an instigator for the casualisation of heterosexual unions and separation of marriage and parenthood.

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Despite assurances to the contrary the consequences of a vote in favour are far-reaching. In the United States wedding businesses are already being hit with heavy fines and threats of imprisonment for refusing to supply services for same-sex weddings.

A vote in favour of tolerance is likely ultimately to result in a regime of intolerance against anyone who holds religious beliefs or moral precepts that support a multi-millennial-aged institution that underpins society as we know it.

Some quotes from news Weekly articles.

So religion can be intolerant because it could lead to others being intolerant of them and society breaking down as we know it....What a load of rubbish!!!

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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #412 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 8:13pm

There is only one argument against gay marriage and that is

"F.U.C.K. YOU! I HATE GAYS!"

Many reject gay marriage on religious grounds. God does mention his displeasure about 3 or 4 times.

However he does say he doesn't want us eating pork or shellfish. This is mentioned a good 11 or so times in the bible. God hates ham and crabs more then homosexuals

Cafeteria Christians ignore this because lets face it, bacon and prawns are tasty.

So we trust in the "Holy Word" of god only so far as it suits our purpose.

Socially, allowing this section of the human race the same rights as the rest of us will not tear our civilisation asunder. In fact allowing homosexuals the right to marry will have zero impact on the heterosexual community.

Ethically is it right to deny two loving consenting people the right to the fine institution of marriage.

"Oh but they have de-facto rights, they can have a union Blah, Blah Blah" But its not a marriage in the legal sense of the word and its ethically wrong to deny them.

So at the end of the day the argument basically boils down to

"F.UC.K YOU! I HATE GAYS!"

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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #413 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 8:22pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:57pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 5:46pm:

Everyone in society should have the same rights as anyone else....I don't see what is so hard to understand....I have not seen one rational argument against Gay Marriage!!!

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How simplistic of you Phil.

Yet you still failed to understand!!!

It's not about equal rights.

Every man and woman has equal rights regardless of sexual orientation accept for the right to get married....Of course it is about equal rights!!!

Marriage is the union of a man and a woman.
Not 2 women or 2 men....

Which can easily be changed again!!!

Men can marry women and women can marry men... that's equal isn't it....

Apart from those who are excluded

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Ireland is one of only 19 other countries – most in Western Europe – which have redefined marriage. However, the overwhelming majority of countries around the world, including every country in Asia, the countries of the South Pacific and almost all in Africa, still define marriage as the union of one man and one woman, intended for life.

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The size of the vote in Ireland reflected the relatively small size of the country, with only about 3.5 million adult voters, of whom about 60 per cent cast a ballot.

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In contrast, over recent years there have been 39 state referenda on marriage in the United States in which 84.5 million Americans have voted 61:39 for marriage defined as the union of a man and a woman.

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As marriage is redefined to accommodate same-sex couples, this reinforces the irrelevance of marriage to parenthood. Elsewhere, same-sex marriage is an instigator for the casualisation of heterosexual unions and separation of marriage and parenthood.

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Despite assurances to the contrary the consequences of a vote in favour are far-reaching. In the United States wedding businesses are already being hit with heavy fines and threats of imprisonment for refusing to supply services for same-sex weddings.

A vote in favour of tolerance is likely ultimately to result in a regime of intolerance against anyone who holds religious beliefs or moral precepts that support a multi-millennial-aged institution that underpins society as we know it.

Some quotes from news Weekly articles.

So religion can be intolerant because it could lead to others being intolerant of them and society breaking down as we know it....What a load of rubbish!!!

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Sorry phil, climb down from feral mode... it is YOU who keep missing the point.
Sorry I can't think of how to phrase it more simply for you.
perhaps you can ask grappler he has a good grasp of it.

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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #414 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 8:24pm

Raven wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 8:13pm:

There is only one argument against gay marriage and that is

"F.U.C.K. YOU! I HATE GAYS!"

Many reject gay marriage on religious grounds. God does mention his displeasure about 3 or 4 times.

However he does say he doesn't want us eating pork or shellfish. This is mentioned a good 11 or so times in the bible. God hates ham and crabs more then homosexuals

Cafeteria Christians ignore this because lets face it, bacon and prawns are tasty.

So we trust in the "Holy Word" of god only so far as it suits our purpose.

Socially, allowing this section of the human race the same rights as the rest of us will not tear our civilisation asunder. In fact allowing homosexuals the right to marry will have zero impact on the heterosexual community.

Ethically is it right to deny two loving consenting people the right to the fine institution of marriage.

"Oh but they have de-facto rights, they can have a union Blah, Blah Blah" But its not a marriage in the legal sense of the word and its ethically wrong to deny them.

So at the end of the day the argument basically boils down to

"F.UC.K YOU! I HATE GAYS!"

So what you are saying is MOST GAYS hate GAYS... oh dear that doesn't seem to work.
oh and BTW it is not the point or the reason. Cheesy

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Reply #416 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 8:34pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 5:46pm:

Everyone in society should have the same rights as anyone else....I don't see what is so hard to understand....I have not seen one rational argument against Gay Marriage!!!

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How simplistic of you Phil.
It's not about equal rights.
Marriage is the union of a man and a woman.
Not 2 women or 2 men...
Men can marry women and women can marry me... that's equal isn't it?

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Ireland is one of only 19 other countries – most in Western Europe – which have redefined marriage. However, the overwhelming majority of countries around the world, including every country in Asia, the countries of the South Pacific and almost all in Africa, still define marriage as the union of one man and one woman, intended for life.

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The size of the vote in Ireland reflected the relatively small size of the country, with only about 3.5 million adult voters, of whom about 60 per cent cast a ballot.

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In contrast, over recent years there have been 39 state referenda on marriage in the United States in which 84.5 million Americans have voted 61:39 for marriage defined as the union of a man and a woman.

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As marriage is redefined to accommodate same-sex couples, this reinforces the irrelevance of marriage to parenthood. Elsewhere, same-sex marriage is an instigator for the casualisation of heterosexual unions and separation of marriage and parenthood.

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Despite assurances to the contrary the consequences of a vote in favour are far-reaching. In the United States wedding businesses are already being hit with heavy fines and threats of imprisonment for refusing to supply services for same-sex weddings.

A vote in favour of tolerance is likely ultimately to result in a regime of intolerance against anyone who holds religious beliefs or moral precepts that support a multi-millennial-aged institution that underpins society as we know it.

Some quotes from news Weekly articles.

The is no absolute right to marry anything, anywhere, any time - there is a right to not be forced into marriage - that's the 'marriage of a person of your choice' BTW - not just some open-ended idea that people who want to be married can be so.

As I said - I'm not qualified to fly a 747 - I don't get to fly them - a gay is not qualified to marry - why is a gay not qualified for marriage entitled to marriage as a right?

I think far too many people have been swept along by this emotive non-issue. It has nothing to do with rights or anything else - it's all about wants.

Gays have all rights - they can vote, they can work, they can do many things as long as they don't break the law - they are simply not qualified to marry.

I have friends who are a gay couple up the valley - they were on our lawn bowls team and I actually said it mattered not to me when asked by someone about them. What they do in their own bedroom is nothing to do with me, and they are very good friends.

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Reply #417 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 8:41pm

My fellow Australians, let me make this perfectly clear.. I hold nothing against gays other than myself, and in not holding myself against gays I in no way hold myself against them and this should not be construed as my holding anything against them, thus by refusing to hold myself against gays I am not holding anything against them.

Now that we've settled that question..... my fellow President Bill did NOT have a six-pack with that woman!

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Reply #418 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 9:18pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 8:34pm:

As I said - I'm not qualified to fly a 747 - I don't get to fly them - a gay is not qualified to marry - why is a gay not qualified for marriage entitled to marriage as a right?

hardly the same thing. .. NO ONE is qualified to fly a plane unless they've had the proper training and met the requirements, even you can undertake the proper training and gain the qualifications ... , a gay however cannot qualify to marry no matter what training he undertakes ...

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #419 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 9:24pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 9:18pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 8:34pm:

As I said - I'm not qualified to fly a 747 - I don't get to fly them - a gay is not qualified to marry - why is a gay not qualified for marriage entitled to marriage as a right?

hardly the same thing. .. NO ONE is qualified to fly a plane unless they've had the proper training and met the requirements, even you can undertake the proper training and gain the qualifications ... , a gay however cannot qualify to marry no matter what training he undertakes ...

Why are men and woman who cannot have children allowed to marry....Surely they fail to qualify???

Huh

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