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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #465 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:31am ... wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:21am: To oppose gay marriage requires one to have knowledge of the institution, to consider it's history and it's purpose. This institution has changed many times, to which do you propose we stick to? How far back do we go?
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Reply #466 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:32am

Stratos wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

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To oppose gay marriage requires one to have knowledge of the institution, to consider it's history and it's purpose.

This institution has changed many times, to which do you propose we stick to? How far back do we go?

How has it changed?

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Reply #467 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:37am

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How has it changed?

Most recent one I think was in the 90's, when marital rape was finally considered a crime throughout Australia. Before that certain people required permission to get married.

In the past , women surrendered all their belongings to their husband upon getting wed.

Which definition of marriage do you think is the "traditional" one?

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Reply #468 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:42am

... wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2015 at 11:30pm:

... wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2015 at 5:44pm:

Raven wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 10:56pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 10:06pm:

There is really no argument for gay marriage other than why not... not sufficient in itself since it is a negative.

There is really no argument against gay marriage other then "I don't like it"... not sufficient in itself since it is a negative.

Sure there is, you're just not interested in hearing them. Nuance does not sit well with drones.

Now that's one fine counter-argument that disposes of my argument that the demand for gay marriage is based on a negative... that negative being 'why not' ALONE.

You haven't refuted why that it is so...

To oppose gay marriage requires one to have knowledge of the institution, to consider it's history and it's purpose. And then to maintain the courage of ones convictions in the face of vicious opposition.

To support gay marriage only requires one to accept the media narrative, in the form of cheap slogans such as "it is time".

No surprise then, what the masses choose.

You really need to get over this Honky. You sound like an old man trying to hide his stuck in the mud bigotry with grandiose expressions of noble motives for maintaining his backward beliefs. You remember, they were the same people who were telling us that the Beatles were wrong to have long hair. Same lame manufactured excuses about tradition and respect. And now you come up with "this issue requires a well grounded knowledge of the sacred institution of marriage". Oh, go jump in the lake. It's none of your business. No ones telling you to get married to anyone and you and the churches of all persuasions dont own the institution of marriage. Marriage existed way before any religion we know of today.

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Reply #470 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:59am

Stratos wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

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How has it changed?

Most recent one I think was in the 90's, when marital rape was finally considered a crime throughout Australia.

I'm not sure it was the right decision, or to be more precise, it was executed poorly. All a woman brings to a marriage is her vagina and womb - what a lousy deal for the bloke if he doesn't get a damn thing for a lifetime of servitude. Of course "rape" is a term used much more loosely now.

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Before that certain people required permission to get married.

Who did and why?

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In the past , women surrendered all their belongings to their husband upon getting wed.

What belongings did a 20 year old fertile woman have to "surrender"?

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Reply #471 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 12:05pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

... wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2015 at 11:30pm:

... wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2015 at 5:44pm:

Raven wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 10:56pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 10:06pm:

There is really no argument for gay marriage other than why not... not sufficient in itself since it is a negative.

There is really no argument against gay marriage other then "I don't like it"... not sufficient in itself since it is a negative.

Sure there is, you're just not interested in hearing them. Nuance does not sit well with drones.

Now that's one fine counter-argument that disposes of my argument that the demand for gay marriage is based on a negative... that negative being 'why not' ALONE.

You haven't refuted why that it is so...

To oppose gay marriage requires one to have knowledge of the institution, to consider it's history and it's purpose. And then to maintain the courage of ones convictions in the face of vicious opposition.

To support gay marriage only requires one to accept the media narrative, in the form of cheap slogans such as "it is time".

No surprise then, what the masses choose.

You really need to get over this Honky. You sound like an old man trying to hide his stuck in the mud bigotry with grandiose expressions of noble motives for maintaining his backward beliefs.

Well I bet I'm younger than you pops. Shame age doesn't = wisdom

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You remember, they were the same people who were telling us that the Beatles were wrong to have long hair.

Which people are these?

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And now you come up with "this issue requires a well grounded knowledge of the sacred institution of marriage". Oh, go jump in the lake. It's none of your business.

Then it's none of yours either.

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No ones telling you to get married to anyone and you and the churches of all persuasions dont own the institution of marriage.

I am married, and I did so for the very reason marriage exists as an institution. Not because I require societal recognition of my emotions, or so I can have a day all about meeeeee - to provide a stable family environment for my kids to grow up in.

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Marriage existed way before any religion we know of today.

Yes. And?

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #472 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 12:14pm ... wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:59am: All a woman brings to a marriage is her vagina and womb - what a lousy deal for the bloke if he doesn't get a damn thing for a lifetime of servitude. Of course "rape" is a term used much more loosely now. Is this honestly your view? I think you are just trolling at this point.
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Reply #473 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 12:19pm

Stratos wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

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All a woman brings to a marriage is her vagina and womb - what a lousy deal for the bloke if he doesn't get a damn thing for a lifetime of servitude. Of course "rape" is a term used much more loosely now.

Is this honestly your view? I think you are just trolling at this point.

Think about it - A dude brings a lifetimes worth of resources to accommodate her whims while the woman brings....what?

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Reply #475 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 12:28pm

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Think about it - A dude brings a lifetimes worth of resources to accommodate her whims while the woman brings....what?

Clearly you are under the impression women do not work.

Also under the impression that a piece of paper allows you to rape someone without consequences, which is quite frankly creepy and disturbing.

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Reply #476 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 12:32pm

Stratos wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

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Think about it - A dude brings a lifetimes worth of resources to accommodate her whims while the woman brings....what?

Clearly you are under the impression women do not work.

Well, they're highly overpaid for what they do. 50% of a dudes net worth is not a fair price for 10 hours housework a week.

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Also under the impression that a piece of paper allows you to rape someone without consequences, which is quite frankly creepy and disturbing.

Well, Genuine rape is not ever OK, but sex was considered "wifely duties", and infertility was grounds for divorce for good reasons.

What sort of contract allows one party to abrogate all responsibilities, while still allowing them all their entitlements and rights? One that's not worth the paper it's printed on, that's what.

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Reply #478 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 12:34pm

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ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

You really need to get over this Honky. You sound like an old man trying to hide his stuck in the mud bigotry with grandiose expressions of noble motives for maintaining his backward beliefs.

Well I bet I'm younger than you pops. Shame age doesn't = wisdom

Well since we've established that I'm older then you in years you can take it from me that you are really old and you sound it, same old person's message dressed up in same old person's tricks.

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You remember, they were the same people who were telling us that the Beatles were wrong to have long hair.

Which people are these?

Old people like you. They're timeless

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And now you come up with "this issue requires a well grounded knowledge of the sacred institution of marriage". Oh, go jump in the lake. It's none of your business.

Then it's none of yours either.

I'm not the one advocating restrictions on marriage. That's you and that's you minding other people's business. So butt out

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No ones telling you to get married to anyone and you and the churches of all persuasions dont own the institution of marriage.

I am married, and I did so for the very reason marriage exists as an institution. Not because I require societal recognition of my emotions, or so I can have a day all about meeeeee - to provide a stable family environment for my kids to grow up in.

Oh yeah, you're so good, you did it for the right reasons, everyone else is doing it for the wrong reasons, bluh blau blua bluh bluh. Just butt out. Go live your life and let others live there's. Sheeeeeesh!!!

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Marriage existed way before any religion we know of today.

Yes. And?

Marriage is not your institution to dictate how it is to be done and who is allowed to participate. You need to get that in your head.

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