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Reply #555 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:15pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

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ask yourself why your emotions need societal and legal recognition.

because the govt. has to stick it's beak into everything we do. Without the legal recognition claiming you are married to your wife is no different to those nut cases claiming they were married to an alien that had abducted them. Married people want to know that if something happens to them, their partners are recognised as their partners and get all the perks that go with that, over and above any other relationships that may exist.

Can't they do that already?

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Reply #556 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:18pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

ask yourself why your emotions need societal and legal recognition.

because the govt. has to stick it's beak into everything we do. Without the legal recognition claiming you are married to your wife is no different to those nut cases claiming they were married to an alien that had abducted them. Married people want to know that if something happens to them, their partners are recognised as their partners and get all the perks that go with that, over and above any other relationships that may exist.

See my previous post about the value your emotions have to society.

You being in love = No benefit to society
You providing a stable environment to raise kids = clear benefit to society.

That's why the "perks" are there - in exchange for providing something of value. Why would you expect to get the same perks when you don't provide anything to deserve it?

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Reply #557 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:20pm

double plus good wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

ask yourself why your emotions need societal and legal recognition.

because the govt. has to stick it's beak into everything we do. Without the legal recognition claiming you are married to your wife is no different to those nut cases claiming they were married to an alien that had abducted them. Married people want to know that if something happens to them, their partners are recognised as their partners and get all the perks that go with that, over and above any other relationships that may exist.

Can't they do that already?

not really ... any brother, sister, son etc can challenge and quite often will win.

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Reply #558 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:27pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

ask yourself why your emotions need societal and legal recognition.

because the govt. has to stick it's beak into everything we do. Without the legal recognition claiming you are married to your wife is no different to those nut cases claiming they were married to an alien that had abducted them. Married people want to know that if something happens to them, their partners are recognised as their partners and get all the perks that go with that, over and above any other relationships that may exist.

Can't they do that already?

not really ... any brother, sister, son etc can challenge and quite often will win.

There's all sorts of laws dealing with spousal arrangements. It's more to do with the ceremony which is a male /female tradition. They want the ceremony modified. It's a sticky issue because religion is heavy involved in most marriages. People see gay marriage as an attack on Christianity and forced change.

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Reply #559 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:33pm

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

ask yourself why your emotions need societal and legal recognition.

because the govt. has to stick it's beak into everything we do. Without the legal recognition claiming you are married to your wife is no different to those nut cases claiming they were married to an alien that had abducted them. Married people want to know that if something happens to them, their partners are recognised as their partners and get all the perks that go with that, over and above any other relationships that may exist.

See my previous post about the value your emotions have to society.

You being in love = No benefit to society
You providing a stable environment to raise kids = clear benefit to society.

That's why the "perks" are there - in exchange for providing something of value. Why would you expect to get the same perks when you don't provide anything to deserve it?

Gays and lesbians can and do provide stble environments to raise children.

Aside from that, your argument is ridiculous. Marriage is about the joining of two people. Any 'perks' that come with that are as result of the union itself, not what the union provides for society.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #560 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:33pm Soren wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:01pm: In evolutionary terms,40 years is nothing. Right, so you are going back on your claim that you need heterosexual intercourse to reproduce. Good to see.
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Reply #561 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:41pm

mothra wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

ask yourself why your emotions need societal and legal recognition.

because the govt. has to stick it's beak into everything we do. Without the legal recognition claiming you are married to your wife is no different to those nut cases claiming they were married to an alien that had abducted them. Married people want to know that if something happens to them, their partners are recognised as their partners and get all the perks that go with that, over and above any other relationships that may exist.

See my previous post about the value your emotions have to society.

You being in love = No benefit to society
You providing a stable environment to raise kids = clear benefit to society.

That's why the "perks" are there - in exchange for providing something of value. Why would you expect to get the same perks when you don't provide anything to deserve it?

Gays and lesbians can and do provide stble environments to raise children.

Don't waste my time with such mendacity.

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Aside from that, your argument is ridiculous. Marriage is about the joining of two people. Any 'perks' that come with that are as result of the union itself, not what the union provides for society.

If that's true, wouldn't those "perks" come regardless of whether a certificate is supplied or not? Why yes, I do believe it would.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #562 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:44pm ... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:41pm: Don't waste my time with such mendacity. Last time this came up I provided you with many many studies to support the case that same sex parents are fine and you refused to read them and provided nothing o refute it. What have you got this time?
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35551 Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #563 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:48pm Just because you don't like or understand it Honky, doesn't make it mendacious.
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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #564 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:49pm

Stratos wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 7:37am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 6:34am:

And the complex Gay world as an aberration.

You didn't actually address any of what I just said by the way. Maybe stop trawling the internet for gay websites to get your views and you might meet some gay people you relate with?

I relate to a lot of gay people in fact many are my friends... none of them want to marry or have anything to do with the progressive push.

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Reply #565 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:50pm

Stratos wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

Don't waste my time with such mendacity.

Last time this came up I provided you with many many studies to support the case that same sex parents are fine and you refused to read them and provided nothing o refute it.

What have you got this time?

You've obviously never read this book:

I'm getting really sick of the dishonesty of the pro-gay marriage camp.

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Reply #566 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:52pm

Agnes wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

A very short-ish answer from me - no I don't.

I dont have an issue with gay people. They can have relationships all they like, I also support their partner having the same legal reights as a de-facto regular couple.

I would ask they show a bit of decorum in public - but I would rather that across the board too.

I do believe though that the institution of marriage should be for a man and a woman.

I am ok for civil partnerships where a certificate can also be produced - but not a marriage.

I used to be of this opinion too but as I had a very close friend who was gay and I saw the love he had for his partener- it was not a seedy version of love- its wasn't a pretend game they were playing- they really were in love- and when his partner died he was cut very deeply and didnt partener ever again- he then died. He wanted to marry his partner and I realised he wanted to be married for the same reason anyone else does- it was a union he wanted recognised by law because he loved his partner - and wanted the same protections marriage afforded them as a couple-

The only concerns I have still about gay marriage is concerning children and that is only because of the stereotypical notion/concerns that most gay men are also peadophiles- someone corrtect me on that one..I want you too.

I voted in favour of gay marriage.

Oh puhlease... being in love with someone doesn't give you the right to marry them nor does it naturally follow that they will want to marry you.
Marriage is about more than just love. Roll Eyes

I think initially it is about love and then other considerations are thrown into the mix.. if you dont marry for love you set yourself up for a lifetime of unhappiness uuumm Grendel. Tongue

You don't know much about marriage; it's history, traditions or other cultures then do you?

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #567 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:52pm And does that book contain any data as to the success of same sex parents to raise children? Or are you just trying to dodge the question.
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Reply #568 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:53pm

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Stratos wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

Don't waste my time with such mendacity.

Last time this came up I provided you with many many studies to support the case that same sex parents are fine and you refused to read them and provided nothing o refute it.

What have you got this time?

You've obviously never read this book:

http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1347744548l/98678.jpg

I'm getting really sick of the dishonesty of the pro-gay marriage camp.

Congratulations! Now you know that all you need is a sperm and an egg.

These can be provided.

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Reply #569 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:54pm

Soren wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Stratos wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

So homosexuality both persistent and yet a biological dead end.

Maybe you need to rethink it Soren.

An aberration.

Despite millions of years of evolution, you still get albinos, dwarfs, all sorts of physical and mental illnesses and deformities and aberrations.

Humanity is made up of by men and women. Its existence depends on heterosexual sex and the protection of the offsprings for an extraordinarily long time before they become self-sufficient. All sorts of traits and institutions have evolved for the purpose of maintaining societal continuity. Marriage, as an institution, is one of the most important ones for the purpose.

Gay weddings mean nothing for societal continuity. It is just a silly and somewhat distasteful appropriation of an institution for the purposes of normalising aberration.

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