Australian Politics Forum - Do you want gay marriages

John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75067 Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #570 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 5:58pm ... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:18pm: That's why the "perks" are there - in exchange for providing something of value. I don't agree .....
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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #571 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 5:59pm

double plus good wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

ask yourself why your emotions need societal and legal recognition.

because the govt. has to stick it's beak into everything we do. Without the legal recognition claiming you are married to your wife is no different to those nut cases claiming they were married to an alien that had abducted them. Married people want to know that if something happens to them, their partners are recognised as their partners and get all the perks that go with that, over and above any other relationships that may exist.

Can't they do that already?

not really ... any brother, sister, son etc can challenge and quite often will win.

There's all sorts of laws dealing with spousal arrangements. It's more to do with the ceremony which is a male /female tradition. They want the ceremony modified. It's a sticky issue because religion is heavy involved in most marriages. People see gay marriage as an attack on Christianity and forced change.

no one is trying to force religions to accept gay marriage, only the law to accept it.

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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #572 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 6:19pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

Stratos wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 7:37am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 6:34am:

And the complex Gay world as an aberration.

You didn't actually address any of what I just said by the way. Maybe stop trawling the internet for gay websites to get your views and you might meet some gay people you relate with?

I relate to a lot of gay people in fact many are my friends...

Some of your best friends are dirty little inverts, Grendel.

Not that there’s anything wrong with it.

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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #573 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 6:24pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

A very short-ish answer from me - no I don't.

I dont have an issue with gay people. They can have relationships all they like, I also support their partner having the same legal reights as a de-facto regular couple.

I would ask they show a bit of decorum in public - but I would rather that across the board too.

I do believe though that the institution of marriage should be for a man and a woman.

I am ok for civil partnerships where a certificate can also be produced - but not a marriage.

I used to be of this opinion too but as I had a very close friend who was gay and I saw the love he had for his partener- it was not a seedy version of love- its wasn't a pretend game they were playing- they really were in love- and when his partner died he was cut very deeply and didnt partener ever again- he then died. He wanted to marry his partner and I realised he wanted to be married for the same reason anyone else does- it was a union he wanted recognised by law because he loved his partner - and wanted the same protections marriage afforded them as a couple-

The only concerns I have still about gay marriage is concerning children and that is only because of the stereotypical notion/concerns that most gay men are also peadophiles- someone corrtect me on that one..I want you too.

I voted in favour of gay marriage.

Oh puhlease... being in love with someone doesn't give you the right to marry them nor does it naturally follow that they will want to marry you.
Marriage is about more than just love. Roll Eyes

I think initially it is about love and then other considerations are thrown into the mix.. if you dont marry for love you set yourself up for a lifetime of unhappiness uuumm Grendel. Tongue

You don't know much about marriage; it's history, traditions or other cultures then do you?

Exactly. For most of history and for about a quarter of the world today, marriage partners were/are chosen by parents.

Historically, marriage is a way of one generation controlling the lives of another - and ensuring their aged care.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are no longer in charge, eh?

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Reply #574 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 6:47pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

A very short-ish answer from me - no I don't.

I dont have an issue with gay people. They can have relationships all they like, I also support their partner having the same legal reights as a de-facto regular couple.

I would ask they show a bit of decorum in public - but I would rather that across the board too.

I do believe though that the institution of marriage should be for a man and a woman.

I am ok for civil partnerships where a certificate can also be produced - but not a marriage.

I used to be of this opinion too but as I had a very close friend who was gay and I saw the love he had for his partener- it was not a seedy version of love- its wasn't a pretend game they were playing- they really were in love- and when his partner died he was cut very deeply and didnt partener ever again- he then died. He wanted to marry his partner and I realised he wanted to be married for the same reason anyone else does- it was a union he wanted recognised by law because he loved his partner - and wanted the same protections marriage afforded them as a couple-

The only concerns I have still about gay marriage is concerning children and that is only because of the stereotypical notion/concerns that most gay men are also peadophiles- someone corrtect me on that one..I want you too.

I voted in favour of gay marriage.

Oh puhlease... being in love with someone doesn't give you the right to marry them nor does it naturally follow that they will want to marry you.
Marriage is about more than just love. Roll Eyes

I think initially it is about love and then other considerations are thrown into the mix.. if you dont marry for love you set yourself up for a lifetime of unhappiness uuumm Grendel. Tongue

You don't know much about marriage; it's history, traditions or other cultures then do you?

Exactly. For most of history and for about a quarter of the world today, marriage partners were/are chosen by parents.

Historically, marriage is a way of one generation controlling the lives of another - and ensuring their aged care.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are no longer in charge, eh?

Ooohh, it's aaall about power, says the old Foucauldian invert.

In Australia there is no legal notion of 'consummation of marriage' but in England there is.
And guess what?? The inverts are exempt!!! Because it is nonsensical to say that a 'gay marriage is consummated'.

2. Your marriage is defective - ‘voidable’ marriages
You can annul a marriage if:

it wasn’t consummated - you haven’t had sex with the person you married since the wedding (doesn’t apply for same sex couples)
you didn’t properly consent to the marriage - eg you were drunk or forced into it
the other person had a sexually transmitted disease when you got married
the woman was pregnant by another man when you got married OBVIOUSLY cannot apply to inverts, so they are exempt again.

So what is happening is 'marriage equality' means marriage on gay terms - on the terms of the 20% of the 2 % - ie on terms of the 0.04% that is gays getting 'married'.

So everyone who sensed from the beginning that this was nothing but a campaign to undermine an existing institution was correct. 'Marriage equality' is about marginalising heterosexual marriage as an essential bridge between generations.
Marriage is now about 'me me me', which is all that inverts bring to it.

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Reply #575 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 7:19pm

Ah, yes - the old super socialist idea of first destroying the family.... the Fabian idea... worked wonders in Pol Pot's Cambodia....

While ever the family has control of its members, the State does not... old Vietnamese saying is that the power of the province government ends at the village gates....

Think on all the moves to destroy family over the past thirty five years or so....... and then (face palms) we have Family First thumping the conservative religious tub instead of being a proper agglomeration of aggrieved radicals.

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Reply #576 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:07pm

mothra wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

ask yourself why your emotions need societal and legal recognition.

because the govt. has to stick it's beak into everything we do. Without the legal recognition claiming you are married to your wife is no different to those nut cases claiming they were married to an alien that had abducted them. Married people want to know that if something happens to them, their partners are recognised as their partners and get all the perks that go with that, over and above any other relationships that may exist.

See my previous post about the value your emotions have to society.

You being in love = No benefit to society
You providing a stable environment to raise kids = clear benefit to society.

That's why the "perks" are there - in exchange for providing something of value. Why would you expect to get the same perks when you don't provide anything to deserve it?

Gays and lesbians can and do provide stable

GAY

environments to raise children.

Aside from that, your argument is ridiculous. Marriage is about the joining of two people. Any 'perks' that come with that are as result of the union itself, not what the union provides for society.

Gay environments stable or otherwise are only representing a very small minority of personal and sexual relationships.

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Reply #577 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:11pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:07pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

ask yourself why your emotions need societal and legal recognition.

because the govt. has to stick it's beak into everything we do. Without the legal recognition claiming you are married to your wife is no different to those nut cases claiming they were married to an alien that had abducted them. Married people want to know that if something happens to them, their partners are recognised as their partners and get all the perks that go with that, over and above any other relationships that may exist.

See my previous post about the value your emotions have to society.

You being in love = No benefit to society
You providing a stable environment to raise kids = clear benefit to society.

That's why the "perks" are there - in exchange for providing something of value. Why would you expect to get the same perks when you don't provide anything to deserve it?

Gays and lesbians can and do provide stable

GAY

environments to raise children.

Aside from that, your argument is ridiculous. Marriage is about the joining of two people. Any 'perks' that come with that are as result of the union itself, not what the union provides for society.

Gay environments stable or otherwise are only representing a very small minority of personal and sexual relationships.

So is the union of vegetarians. What's your point?

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #578 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:18pm You really don't know? My guess is most would. You do realize there is a difference between vegetarians and gays right?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96385	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #579 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:23pm Grendel wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:18pm: You really don't know? My guess is most would. You do realize there is a difference between vegetarians and gays right? Are some of your best friends vegetarians too, Grendel?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #580 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:31pm Grendel wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:18pm: You really don't know? My guess is most would. You do realize there is a difference between vegetarians and gays right? Not much difference.
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Reply #581 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:40pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

You really don't know?
My guess is most would.
You do realize there is a difference between vegetarians and gays right? Cheesy

Are some of your best friends vegetarians too, Grendel?

I only have 1 friend who was a true vegetarian Troll... she gave it up years ago.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Do you want gay marriages Reply #582 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:41pm ... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:31pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:18pm: You really don't know? My guess is most would. You do realize there is a difference between vegetarians and gays right? Not much difference. yes there's a huge credibility problem there.
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Re: Do you want gay marriages
Reply #583 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:47pm

[quote author=grendel link=1364748861/578#578 date=1433499519]You really don't know?
My guess is most would.
You do realize there is a difference between vegetarians and gays right? Cheesy

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The point is Grendel, although i think it alarming that you need it pointed out, is that just because you're in a minority, doesn't mean you have no rights,

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Reply #584 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

mothra wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

[quote author=grendel link=1364748861/578#578 date=1433499519]You really don't know?
My guess is most would.
You do realize there is a difference between vegetarians and gays right? Cheesy

[/quote

The point is Grendel, although i think it alarming that you need it pointed out, is that just because you're in a minority, doesn't mean you have no rights,

Gays and vegetarians have rights... Cheesy

possibly even gay vegetarians too Grin

I'm guessing you have no point though Roll Eyes

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