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Apr 1st, 2013 at 7:56am
 
.....EXPAND since 1985

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/16481189/antarctic-sea-ice-is-expandi...

Global warming has led to more ice in the sea around Antarctica and could help insulate the southern hemisphere from atmospheric warming.

A Dutch study says that unlike in the Arctic region, sea ice around Antarctica has expanded at a significant rate since 1985.

Published online in Nature Geoscience, the article suggests cool freshwater from melt beneath the Antarctic ice shelves has insulated offshore sea ice from the warming ocean beneath.

Richard Bintanja of the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute and colleagues say the Antarctic sea ice expands during southern hemisphere autumn and winter in response to this fresh, cool surface layer that freezes easily.

"Against the background of global climate warming, the expansion of Antarctic sea ice is an exceptional feature, which seems to be associated with decreasing sea surface temperatures in the Southern Ocean," they write.

"We predict that this mechanism will be a sizable contributor to the factors that regionally and seasonally offset greenhouse warming and the associated sea ice retreat."

They say the expanding sea ice may constitute a "feedback" that has the potential to oppose southern hemisphere atmospheric warming and amplify increases in global sea level.

Changes in sea ice can significantly modulate climate change because of its high reflective and strong insulating nature, the paper says.
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Reply #1 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:00am
 
my daughter has just arrived in Copenhagen to snow and frozen lakes..they said the locals are grumbling because spring started two weeks ago..

do you think it has anything to do with CLIMATE CHANGE? Wink
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cods wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:00am:
my daughter has just arrived in Copenhagen to snow and frozen lakes..they said the locals are grumbling because spring started two weeks ago..

do you think it has anything to do with CLIMATE CHANGE? Wink



You'll note they are using the term "climate change" now - not AGW
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Reply #3 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:09am
 
Maybe we can change the wording to reflect reality.

Global Warming to
Climate Change to
Hemispheric warming
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Reply #4 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:12am
 
Maqqa wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:02am:
cods wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:00am:
my daughter has just arrived in Copenhagen to snow and frozen lakes..they said the locals are grumbling because spring started two weeks ago..

do you think it has anything to do with CLIMATE CHANGE? Wink



You'll note they are using the term "climate change" now - not AGW


It's like nailing jelly to a wall... they change their explanations constantly to fit inconvenient new conflicting "facts". It's getting hotter...well the heat is hiding in the ocean...and on and on. You could have half the northern hemisphere under glaciers and you would get "the heat is hiding under the ice"...and yes...I think it's shrinking...a little bit...if you look close...close one eye and then look away and back real quick....
They're a constant source of amusement.
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Reply #5 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:15am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:09am:
Maybe we can change the wording to reflect reality.

Global Warming to
Climate Change to
Hemispheric warming


The last name is....

"Ah sh1t we got it wrong"
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Reply #6 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:23am
 
And why is the Antarctic ice significant?

The climate alarmists have long told us there are "climate refugees" from low lying  islands impacted by rising sea levels due to Global warming

We know that freshwater mixed with sea water will cause sea levels to rise

Antarctic is full of freshwater

Not only that - the IPCC is telling us that melting Antarctic ice contributed 0.21mm to sea level increase with an error rate of (+/-) 0.35mm

we are talking about 0.21 MILLIMETRES

Since we now know that Antarctic sea ice is expanding - therefore it's next to impossible to blame melting Antarctic ice for sea level increases

But you will have the climate alarmists tell you this is due to Global Warming

It's too cold - blame it on global warming

It's too hot - blame it on global warming

It's a nice day - that's global warming

There's a cyclone - yep Global warming

There are no cyclones - you bet Global warming again
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Reply #7 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:27am
 
Actually increasing sea ice in Antarctica is perfectly consistent with what should happen during AGW. Its mainly due to the freshening of the water due to increased precepitation and glacial runoff (caused by AGW).
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Reply #8 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:30am
 
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(Reuters) - Global warming is expanding the extent of sea ice around Antarctica in winter in a paradoxical shift caused by cold plumes of summer melt water that re-freeze fast when temperatures drop, a study showed on Sunday.

"Sea ice around Antarctica is increasing despite the warming global climate," said Richard Bintanja, lead author of the study at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute.

"This is caused by melting of the ice sheets from below," he told Reuters of the findings in the journal Nature Geoscience.

Among other scientists, Paul Holland of the British Antarctic Survey stuck to his findings last year that a shift in winds linked to climate change was blowing a layer of melt water further out to sea and adding to winter ice.

"The possibility remains that the real increase is the sum of wind-driven and melt water-driven effects, of course. That would be my best guess, with the melt water effect being the smaller of the two," he said.


Neither of these two studies is suggesting that our planet is not warming. The melting of the ice from below is actually caused by a warmer Southern Ocean. The only good news is that there may be a negative feedback effect. Which of course is going to be absolutely swamped by our increasing emissions of CO2, if the delayers aren't thwarted.

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The vice-chairman of the UN's climate science panel has admitted it made a mistake in asserting that Himalayan glaciers could disappear by 2035.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) included the date in its 2007 assessment of climate impacts.

A number of scientists have recently disputed the 2035 figure, and Jean-Pascal van Ypersele told BBC News that it was an error and would be reviewed.

The claim that Himalayan glaciers could disappear by 2035 appears to have originated in a 1999 interview with Indian glaciologist Syed Hasnain, published in New Scientist magazine.

The figure then surfaced in a 2005 report by environmental group WWF - a report that is cited in the IPCC's 2007 assessment, known as AR4.
An alternative genesis lies in the misreading of a 1996 study that gave the date as 2350.

AR 4 asserted: "Glaciers in the Himalayas are receding faster than in any other part of the world... the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high."
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Reply #10 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:36am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:27am:
Actually increasing sea ice in Antarctica is perfectly consistent with what should happen during AGW. Its mainly due to the freshening of the water due to increased precepitation and glacial runoff (caused by AGW).

I think you forgot to put the little graph on your reply and the link to precepitation data.
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Reply #11 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:45am
 
We're not allowed to call it global warming anymore.

It used to be called that - then they realised the world was not universally warming - so we now have to call it "climate change".
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Reply #12 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:47am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:45am:
We're not allowed to call it global warming anymore.

It used to be called that - then they realised the world was not universally warming - so we now have to call it "climate change".


Next week it'll be called "Ohshitdisisbad!"
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Maqqa wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:23am:
Since we now know that Antarctic sea ice is expanding - therefore it's next to impossible to blame melting Antarctic ice for sea level increases


So we'll just ignore the rapid melting of arctic ice.

increased antarctic ice under AGW has been known for a long time, and it has been modelled. The really silly thing about this is that it is perfectly consistent with AGW.
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Reply #14 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:22am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:08am:
Maqqa wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:23am:
Since we now know that Antarctic sea ice is expanding - therefore it's next to impossible to blame melting Antarctic ice for sea level increases


So we'll just ignore the rapid melting of arctic ice.

increased antarctic ice under AGW has been known for a long time, and it has been modelled. The really silly thing about this is that it is perfectly consistent with AGW.



We haven't even got the the Arctic Ice yet

In this thread I am highlighting the links the climate alarmists are trying to make

(1) AGW causing Antarctic ice to melt
(2) Causing sea level to rise
(3) Displacing low lying islands
(4) Causing climate change refugees
(5) Therefore we have to spend money on AGW
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