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Reply #60 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:19pm

namnugenot wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 6:30pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 3:43pm:

So you start with considerable debate and end with absolute certainty. What makes you so certain?

Let's be specific. What does Imbrie say. Does he believe orbital forcings are insignificant.

No he doesn't and nor do the other 2 dopes...what does that matter...the fact is they totally agree that Milankovitch cycles cause an effect but they are worlds apart in respect of looking at the same cyclical events as to when things occur....which means probably the three people with what could be expected as the best knowledge of Milankovich cycles interpret them in ways that make reading the entrails of sheep or reading tea leaves an exact science. Or are you saying they are in total agreement having read them. Milankovicth cycles do not explain the MAGNITUDE of the effects, in some instances the absence of effects and events that preceed the "forcings" that caused them. THEY ARE UTTER AND COMPLETE CRAP AS EXPLANATIONS FOR ANYTHING ABOVE MINOR CLIMATE EFFECTS.

So all of them accept the orbital forcing effect. So nothing to do with small and far away.

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Reply #61 - Apr 2^nd, 2013 at 8:38am

MOTR wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:19pm:

namnugenot wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 6:30pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 3:43pm:

So you start with considerable debate and end with absolute certainty. What makes you so certain?

Let's be specific. What does Imbrie say. Does he believe orbital forcings are insignificant.

No he doesn't and nor do the other 2 dopes...what does that matter...the fact is they totally agree that Milankovitch cycles cause an effect but they are worlds apart in respect of looking at the same cyclical events as to when things occur....which means probably the three people with what could be expected as the best knowledge of Milankovich cycles interpret them in ways that make reading the entrails of sheep or reading tea leaves an exact science. Or are you saying they are in total agreement having read them. Milankovicth cycles do not explain the MAGNITUDE of the effects, in some instances the absence of effects and events that preceed the "forcings" that caused them. THEY ARE UTTER AND COMPLETE CRAP AS EXPLANATIONS FOR ANYTHING ABOVE MINOR CLIMATE EFFECTS.

So all of them accept the orbital forcing effect. So nothing to do with small and far away.

It must be hard for you being such a ardent know-it-all when you have such large deficits in comprehension and facts...maybe we could have a benefit or fund-raising of some kind.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Global warming is causing Antarctic ice to.... Reply #62 - Apr 2^nd, 2013 at 5:47pm I don't know it all, nam. How about you explain why you believe orbital forcings are insignificant. All you've done is refer me to scientists who believe they are significant.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Global warming is causing Antarctic ice to.... Reply #64 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:12am Well let's hear what you have to say chimp. You are at Mawson Base right? I don't know, you might be a scientist, in which case your views would be interesting, on the other hand you might be an electrician or an IT person.
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Reply #66 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 6:47pm

Maqqa wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 9:55am:

And this is why they have all walked away from the term Global Warming

Who has " walked away from the term Global Warming"?!?!?

It is still a term very much in current use. The IPCC certainly still uses it:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch2s2-10-2.html

THis is because the globe is still clearly and unambiguously warming.

And global warming is causing climate to change.

Maqqa wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 9:55am:

If it is GLOBAL WARMING then ice would be melting equally everywhere

Ice will melt when it goes above 0 degrees C.
You never learnt this at school?

Maqqa wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 9:55am:

But under current data - Antarctic ice is growing rapidly

Antarctic SEA ICE is growing rapidly.

Ice is made of fresh water and, when ice shelves on the fringes of Antarctica thaw in summer because of upwellings of warming sea water, the meltwater forms a cool layer that floats on the denser, warmer salty sea water below, the study said.

In winter, the melt water readily turns to ice because it freezes at zero degrees Celsius, above sea water at -2C (28.4F).

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/global-warmings-paradox-more-an...

Overall however:
Antarctica was losing about 250 billion tonnes of ice a year - equivalent to 0.07 millimetre (0.003 inch) of sea level rise a year, Bintanja said. "Antarctic mass loss seems to be accelerating,"

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/global-warmings-paradox-more-an...

THis is because the planet is warming.
Global warming.

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Reply #67 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 6:50pm

MOTR wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2013 at 5:47pm:

I don't know it all, nam. How about you explain why you believe orbital forcings are insignificant. All you've done is refer me to scientists who believe they are significant.

FFS...based on the same data where there is high predictability in those cycles, so they say, you would expect repeatability or very close results from people...whoopsie "scientists" who have studied these cycles ad nausium.
Imbrie has cooling from 6,000 years ago and continuing for about 23,000 years.
Berger and Loutre have warming for the next 50,000 years.
Quite a margin of error don't ya think...applying Occam's razor, as you so helpfully suggested, and choosing between inexplicable results (not to mention the other host of problems with this particular theory) and being a load of bollocks...I'm going for load of bollocks.
Now I have better things to do with my time Dougal.

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Reply #68 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 8:26pm

the warmest decade on record is 2000 to 2009
the second warmest decade on record is 1990 to 1999
the 3rd warmest decade on record is 1980 to 1989
the 4th warmest decade on record is 1970 to 1979
the 5th warmest decade on record is 1960 to 1969

I wonder what is happening here?

I better check with Andrew Bolt and Lord Monckton - they will know how to analyse this trend in an honest and scientific manner

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Global warming is causing Antarctic ice to.... Reply #69 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:35pm I'm not a scientist but I guess the first question I would ask is, over what period of time do we have decade on decade records of global temperature? Do we have them, for example, for periods when the existence of half the globe was not known?
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Reply #70 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:04pm

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

I'm not a scientist but I guess the first question I would ask is, over what period of time do we have decade on decade records of global temperature?
Do we have them, for example, for periods when the existence of half the globe was not known?

Climate Proxies.

The AGW alarmists will tell you that (among other things) ice cores and tree rings provide us with an accurate picture of past climates and temperatures.

They manage to keep a straight face too.

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Reply #71 - Apr 19^th, 2013 at 5:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:04pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

I'm not a scientist but I guess the first question I would ask is, over what period of time do we have decade on decade records of global temperature?
Do we have them, for example, for periods when the existence of half the globe was not known?

Climate Proxies.

The AGW alarmists will tell you that (among other things) ice cores and tree rings provide us with an accurate picture of past climates and temperatures.

They manage to keep a straight face too.

MEASUREMENT AY!

HOW DOES ONE MEASURE A COMPLEX SYSTEM??

THIS BLOKE CALLED GREG IS A TRUE BONE-A-FIDE FALSE GOD.................... Grin

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ACCURACY

' IS A WORD GREG CHOSE TO USE AND IT WILL BE HIS DOWNFALL AS HE CANNOT DEFINE ITS MEANING!!

MATHEMATICS IS A TOOL. TOOLS ARE USED FOR A PURPOSE AND, THE THING IS, GREG CANNOT ENTERTAIN THAT THE PURPOSE MAYBE TO DEFINE A TREND. IF SO, THEN HOW DOES THE WORD '

ACCURACY

' LEGITIMATELY DEFINE ITSELF??

GREG CANNOT KEEP UP,....

BYE BYE GLOBAL WARMING DENIERS: YOU'VE ALL GOT KIDS AND REALISE YOUR TIME IS NOW SHORT!

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Reply #72 - Apr 19^th, 2013 at 9:10pm

Maqqa wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:23am:

And why is the Antarctic ice significant?

The climate alarmists have long told us there are "climate refugees" from low lying islands impacted by rising sea levels due to Global warming

We know that freshwater mixed with sea water will cause sea levels to rise

Antarctic is full of freshwater

Not only that - the IPCC is telling us that melting Antarctic ice contributed 0.21mm to sea level increase with an error rate of (+/-) 0.35mm

we are talking about 0.21 MILLIMETRES

Since we now know that Antarctic sea ice is expanding - therefore it's next to impossible to blame melting Antarctic ice for sea level increases

But you will have the climate alarmists tell you this is due to Global Warming

It's too cold - blame it on global warming

It's too hot - blame it on global warming

It's a nice day - that's global warming

There's a cyclone - yep Global warming

There are no cyclones - you bet Global warming again

Where do you get your argumentative rationality from?

The flat earth society?

The foul stench that wafts in here is nostril singeingly putrid

You should be utterly ashamed of yourself you freak clown maggot slothed weasel

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Reply #74 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 5:57pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:45am:

We're not allowed to call it global warming anymore.

Why do you idiots keep repeating this nonsense?

It is called global warming. Anthropogenic global warming. Has been for decades. Still is.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:45am:

It used to be called that -

And it still is moron.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:45am:

then they realised the world was not universally warming.

Who realisied this?

The planet as a whole is warming.
This is beyond doubt.

The evidence for this comes not only from the observed increase in average surface temperature over a period of decades, but also from icreased ocean temperature and decrease in glacial mass balance.

THe earth is warming.

Global warming.

Anthropogenic global warming.

You can call it that.

Everyone calls it that

That is what it is.

Nobody told you not to call it that you retard.

Stop telling lies.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:45am:

- so we now have to call it "climate change".

No you don't you brain-dead liar.

Climate change is an impact of global warming.

Both terms have been in concurrent use for decades.

Only the really, really really stupid do not understand this.

The type of morons that write crap like:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:45am:

We're not allowed to call it global warming anymore.

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