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Reply #75 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 5:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:04pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

I'm not a scientist but I guess the first question I would ask is, over what period of time do we have decade on decade records of global temperature?
Do we have them, for example, for periods when the existence of half the globe was not known?

Climate Proxies.

The AGW alarmists will tell you that (among other things) ice cores and tree rings provide us with an accurate picture of past climates and temperatures.

They manage to keep a straight face too.

Could you tell us what is wrong with using ice cores and tree rings as climate proxies Greggery?

Is that something you heard Alan Jones say?

Come on Greggery. Explain to us why ice cores and tree rings can not be used as climate proxies. Can you do that?

Or is this just an article of faith for you?

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Reply #76 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 6:14pm

Maqqa wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 9:22am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 9:08am:

Maqqa wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:23am:

Since we now know that Antarctic sea ice is expanding - therefore it's next to impossible to blame melting Antarctic ice for sea level increases

So we'll just ignore the rapid melting of arctic ice.

increased antarctic ice under AGW has been known for a long time, and it has been modelled. The really silly thing about this is that it is perfectly consistent with AGW.

We haven't even got the the Arctic Ice yet

In this thread I am highlighting the links the climate alarmists are trying to make

(1) AGW causing Antarctic ice to melt

Yes. AGW is causing Antarctic ice to melt. It is melting 10 times faster than it was 600 years ago
A report has found that the Antarctic summer ice melt is now occurring 10 times faster than it did 600 years ago.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-15/antarctic-melting-ten-times-faster-than-60...

Though, warming is also causing more ice to form in Antartca due to increased precipitation from the warmer air
The new analyses are based on climate models and sea-surface temperature and precipitation observations from 1950 to 2009. They show that, in the 20th century, ocean warming boosted precipitation in the upper atmosphere over the Antarctic region, which fell as snow.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/2010/08/100816-global-warming-antarct...

Maqqa wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 9:22am:

(2) Causing sea level to rise

Yes - sea level is rising, but most of it to this point is being caused by the thermal expansion of water. Further melting of teh Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets, as well as the world's glaciers will increase this.
Maqqa wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 9:22am:

(3) Displacing low lying islands

Yes. Since sea levels are rising - it stands to reason that low lying islands become more marginal for human society as the fresh water lens' which support them are subject to saline intrusion

Maqqa wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 9:22am:

(4) Causing climate change refugees

Yes. People can't live without fresh water. Countries like Kiribat recognise this:
Climate change could force the entire nation of Kiribati to re-locate to Fiji, the nation’s president has warned. Speaking to the Associated Press today, Kiribati President Anote Tong said his Cabinet had agreed a plan to buy around 6,000 acres of land on Fiji’s main island, Viti Levu.
http://www.rtcc.org/kiribati-cabinet-approves-plan-to-buy-land-in-fiji-for-clima...
Maqqa wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 9:22am:

(5) Therefore we have to spend money on AGW

Therefore we need to reduce emissions. If this is done by using renewable energy sources, it will actually save money in the long run.

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Reply #77 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 8:16pm

rabbitoh07

why do you even bother with these holy Bolt priests and self deluding con artists?

They just love cherry picking narrow data ranges within this trend line and claiming that the earth's mean temperature is static or decreasing, when in reality the clear long term trend is one of distinct warming

And the RATE of change in this thermal retention within the earths various systems is the greatest seen since the Dinosaurs were wiped out by Mass extinction event 63 million years ago.

(there has only been one other period where the earths temperature changed so rapidly - and that was during a major clathrate release at about 55 million year ago. And even that event occurred over larger time scales than what we are witnessing now)

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Reply #78 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:55pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 8:16pm:

rabbitoh07

why do you even bother with these holy Bolt priests and self deluding con artists?

They just love cherry picking narrow data ranges within this trend line and claiming that the earth's mean temperature is static or decreasing, when in reality the clear long term trend is one of distinct warming

And the RATE of change in this thermal retention within the earths various systems is the greatest seen since the Dinosaurs were wiped out by Mass extinction event 63 million years ago.

(there has only been one other period where the earths temperature changed so rapidly - and that was during a major clathrate release at about 55 million year ago. And even that event occurred over larger time scales than what we are witnessing now)

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Environment/Pix/columnists/2008/9/22/1222102...

I take perverse please by realising how lucky I am to be not as ignorant as these retards.

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Reply #79 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:05pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:55pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 8:16pm:

rabbitoh07

why do you even bother with these holy Bolt priests and self deluding con artists?

They just love cherry picking narrow data ranges within this trend line and claiming that the earth's mean temperature is static or decreasing, when in reality the clear long term trend is one of distinct warming

And the RATE of change in this thermal retention within the earths various systems is the greatest seen since the Dinosaurs were wiped out by Mass extinction event 63 million years ago.

(there has only been one other period where the earths temperature changed so rapidly - and that was during a major clathrate release at about 55 million year ago. And even that event occurred over larger time scales than what we are witnessing now)

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Environment/Pix/columnists/2008/9/22/1222102...

I take perverse please by realising how lucky I am to be not as ignorant as these retards.

that is perverse

How does one assess a sub-zero IQ level and a sociopathic tendency to lie in public?

good luck

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