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War in Afghanistan - Mission Accomplished?
Apr 1^st, 2013 at 10:33am

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2013/03/25/3720567.htm

Mission Accomplished?

- Monday 25 March 2013

The plan was simple enough. Drive out Al-Qaeda, install a democratic system of government in Afghanistan, then train police and a military force to protect the country. But when soldiers from the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) pull out of Afghanistan in 2014, will the country's security forces be up to the task of maintaining law and order?

A growing body of evidence says they won't, raising another unpleasant question: what have soldiers from Australia, the US and Britain, along with many other nations, given their lives for?

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That would be, ...nothing, obviously.

The video;

http://www.abc.net.au/iview/?series=2303988#/series/2303988

LOL...what a pathetic joke.

Troops out now!

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Reply #1 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:02am

There will still be plenty of mercenaries.......oops! private contractors to take over after the troops pull out.

They're cheaper and we don't have to watch them arrive back with the flag draped over their coffin. No repatriation or funeral costs, no ex military costs associated with returned serviceman and women.

Who are these people?

The same ones who were fighting in uniform a little while ago? the pays better for private contractors though.

Karzai should be worried......very worried Smiley

Obama will still have his drones killing little children, so its a win-win for Amerika.

Who's taking bets on how long before the Taliban starts taking over the cities in Afghanistan?

I give them 6-12 months.

All that for nothing lol!!!!

America are bad at war.....very bad.

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Reply #2 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:19am

A positive narrative can still be constructed around the Afghan war. Just state that they were fighting for ideals that represented the good and the just and that many lessons were learnt for future wars, and then condemn those who oppose them. This way, no one died in vain.

In short, just make sure the positive messages outweighs the negative messages.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: War in Afghanistan - Mission Accomplished? Reply #3 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:22am The ABC is full of relentless negators, so relying on them for positive messages isn't going to happen.
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: War in Afghanistan - Mission Accomplished? Reply #4 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:24am Fortunately, good historians stick to the truth. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will be reviewed by future generations to be exactly what they were. Fanciful propaganda gets exposed with time.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: War in Afghanistan - Mission Accomplished? Reply #5 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:24am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:02am: America are bad at war.....very bad. Actually, they're very, very good at war. It's the occupation and rebuilding that they struggle with.
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Reply #6 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:28am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:24am:

Fortunately, good historians stick to the truth. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will be reviewed by future generations to be exactly what they were.

Fanciful propaganda gets exposed with time.

Propaganda works both ways.
I wish you luck trying to convince people that the Taliban is a better style of government than a Western democracy. Funny how your Human Rights agenda goes out the window when you want to spite the West.

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Reply #7 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:58am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:28am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:24am:

Fortunately, good historians stick to the truth. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will be reviewed by future generations to be exactly what they were.

Fanciful propaganda gets exposed with time.

Propaganda works both ways.
I wish you luck trying to convince people that the Taliban is a better style of government than a Western democracy. Funny how your Human Rights agenda goes out the window when you want to spite the West.

No one is suggesting that.

Surely you don't think that the good people of Afghanistan will be left with a western style democratic government when the invasion is halted.

Unlike America, I'm not in favour of assisting the Taliban. There will be no peace between the Taliban and the West, not for a long time.

That western style democracy went very well in Egypt, didn't it? The people have never been more oppressed, it took them back at least 50 years.

Same as in Libya, as the Al Qaeda flag flies above the courthouse, democracy lol!!!

Whenever and wherever America fund terrorist groups, they eventually turn on them.

The middle east have every right to laugh in the face of America, they've been promising peace since 1947, and..................

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Reply #8 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 12:15pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:58am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:28am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:24am:

Fortunately, good historians stick to the truth. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will be reviewed by future generations to be exactly what they were.

Fanciful propaganda gets exposed with time.

Propaganda works both ways.
I wish you luck trying to convince people that the Taliban is a better style of government than a Western democracy. Funny how your Human Rights agenda goes out the window when you want to spite the West.

No one is suggesting that.

Surely you don't think that the good people of Afghanistan will be left with a western style democratic government when the invasion is halted.

Unlike America, I'm not in favour of assisting the Taliban. There will be no peace between the Taliban and the West, not for a long time.

That western style democracy went very well in Egypt, didn't it? The people have never been more oppressed, it took them back at least 50 years.

Same as in Libya, as the Al Qaeda flag flies above the courthouse, democracy lol!!!

Whenever and wherever America fund terrorist groups, they eventually turn on them.

The middle east have every right to laugh in the face of America, they've been promising peace since 1947, and..................

The reason why there will be no democracy in the Middle east has nothing to do with America and everything to do with the 7th century mindset of the populace.
When Allah becomes the centrepiece to guide life, you can be guaranteed there won't be any advances in morals or technology.
Democracy requires that individual choices are respected, to a certain extent. Islam has no such respect for individual rights - it wants submission to Allah; and with that you get an extremely conservative mindset that preserves thinking as it was in the 7th century. Who are the people blowing each other up in Iraq at the moment? The Muslims - two different sects of Muslims. Muslims killing other Muslims.

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Reply #9 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 12:33pm

A whole bunch of muslims and do-gooders will be asking for America to go back in when that scum the Taliban start slaughtering people. Maybe they should of been more supportive in the first place. Once America leaves they won't be back. In fact I'd say that would be the end of any western involvement in the crap-hole part of the world.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: War in Afghanistan - Mission Accomplished? Reply #10 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 12:41pm Big Dave wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 12:33pm: Once America leaves they won't be back. In fact I'd say that would be the end of any western involvement in the crap-hole part of the world. Yes. And I'd say that this is the biggest lesson learnt from the war. It was not totally in vain.
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Reply #11 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 2:49pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:19am:

A positive narrative can still be constructed around the Afghan war. Just state that they were fighting for ideals that represented the good and the just and that many lessons were learnt for future wars, and then condemn those who oppose them. This way, no one died in vain..

Yes, my friend, it is so. No one died in vain.

Lockheed Martin, Boeing, British Aerospace, all. Share price is still good, no?

Also, Hassan & Sons do a good line in Amerikan parade uniform. Clearance sale on now.

Many lessons learnt for future war, my friend.

Like business class in ethics, no one will remember. God is great, no?

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: War in Afghanistan - Mission Accomplished? Reply #12 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 3:04pm Yes karnal and President Hamid Karzai sh1tty pants go for record price at auction. Gud is great! shukran
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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: War in Afghanistan - Mission Accomplished? Reply #13 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 6:20pm 1.42 million slaughtered Iraqi people - 65% were women, children and the elderly The Iraqi landscape peppered with Depleted Uranium dust. Why are the criminals who caused this, namely Bush, Blair, Howard and gang, not behind bars?
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Reply #14 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 7:00pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 6:20pm:

1.42 million slaughtered Iraqi people - 65% were women, children and the elderly

The Iraqi landscape peppered with Depleted Uranium dust.

Why are the criminals who caused this, namely Bush, Blair, Howard and gang, not behind bars?

They are protected by the Bilderberg Group, the Rothschilds, the United Nations, NATO, the IMF, the World Bank, the European Union and other power brokers....all in it together to dominate the world.

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