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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: It Was Another Extreme Policy From Mr Abbott. Reply #15 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 4:59pm Rider wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 1:58pm: "It does sound like an unnecessary position given that the gentleman in question gives us the benefit of his views without needing taxpayer funding," Mr Abbott said. The man makes a very valid point That's what i thought.
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Reply #16 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 5:59pm

Abbott will need his own bureaucracy to account for his Direct Action policy.....He will also use taxpayer money to fund the billions of dollars that will be wasted implementing his useless policy.....How the Liberal Party can condemn the market over Government control shows they have no moral fibre and prefer to play politics than implement good policy.....An emissions trading scheme is the only way to drive investment and get real change in how we reduce our carbon emissions.....Tony Abbott's Direct Action policy is an insult to the environment and all Australian's who care about our planet and our children's future!!!

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Reply #17 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 6:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 4:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 3:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 3:19pm:

How is it 'extreme' to implement a basic policy? or is it just considered extreme when it differs from the ACTU position?

I would think the pleasure that the conservatives always get from sacking people for no real gain is pretty extreeme.

and if there were any actual evidence of that it might be of some value.

Isn't this evidence not even in power and he is creaming his pants over the opportunity to increase unemployment, just like all Liberals as is clearly shown by history.

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Reply #18 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 6:16pm

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Abbott will need his own bureaucracy to account for his Direct Action policy.....He will also use taxpayer money to fund the billions of dollars that will be wasted implementing his useless policy.....How the Liberal Party can condemn the market over Government control shows they have no moral fibre and prefer to play politics than implement good policy.....An emissions trading scheme is the only way to drive investment and get real change in how we reduce our carbon emissions.....Tony Abbott's Direct Action policy is an insult to the environment and all Australian's who care about our planet and our children's future!!!

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Henry David Thoreau (1817 - 1862)

THat is correct.

"Direct Action" - the Communist-style big government response (ie GREAT BIG TAX) to climate change that Abbott proposes will need an army of public servants to administer.

Why is he so against a market-driven mechanism? Even China is implementing a carbon price.

BTW: Does Tony still think climate change is crap? Or is it "climate change is real, humanity does make a contribution to it and we’ve got to take effective action against it."

And if he wants to "take effective action against it." - why will he scrap the market driven mechanism and replace it with a far more expensive scheme?

He really doesn't appear to be very smart, does he.

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Reply #19 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 7:13pm

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Abbott forecasts Flannery job loss

AAP
April 03, 2013

FEDERAL Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has forecast a job loss for chief climate commissioner Tim Flannery if the coalition wins power at the next election. Huh

And he says climate change and carbon tax bureaucracies set up by the Labor government would also go under a coalition government when it abolishes the carbon tax.

When asked on Macquarie Radio on Wednesday if Professor Flannery would be "consigned to the wastepaper basket of bureaucracy", Mr Abbott said he thought there were four climate and carbon tax bureaucracies in place.

"When the carbon tax goes, all of those bureaucracies will go and I suspect we might find that the particular position you refer to goes with them," he told broadcaster Ray Hadley.

"It does sound like an unnecessary position given that the gentleman in question gives us the benefit of his views without needing taxpayer funding," Mr Abbott said.

Australian Greens leader Christine Milne said it was another extreme policy from Mr Abbott, who in the past had labelled the science of climate change as "crap".

"Frankly, all of his policies are in line with that view," Senator Milne told reporters in Canberra. Sad

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/abbott-forecasts-flannery-job-loss/story-e6frfku9-1226611491455#ixzz2PMDZyvux

Newman engineered Anna Bligh's husband's resignation when he was given the job of unwinding all the climate change rubbish that Mr Bligh had overseen. Apparently the sun still rises over Queensland so Flim Flannery's departure will be no loss.

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The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

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Reply #20 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 7:30pm

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:16am:

Flannery is not a scientist,

His Degree in Earth Sciences and Doctorate in Zoology suggest otherwise.

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:16am:

he's a politician spruiking a particular world view which becomes more discredited as time goes on . . .as some of us realised it would.

I'm afraid that virtually every scientific and academic body on earth disagrees with you and whatever shock-jock you listen to.

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Reply #21 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 7:33pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 6:16pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Abbott will need his own bureaucracy to account for his Direct Action policy.....He will also use taxpayer money to fund the billions of dollars that will be wasted implementing his useless policy.....How the Liberal Party can condemn the market over Government control shows they have no moral fibre and prefer to play politics than implement good policy.....An emissions trading scheme is the only way to drive investment and get real change in how we reduce our carbon emissions.....Tony Abbott's Direct Action policy is an insult to the environment and all Australian's who care about our planet and our children's future!!!

What is the use of a house if you haven't got a tolerable planet to put it on?
Henry David Thoreau (1817 - 1862)

THat is correct.

"Direct Action" - the Communist-style big government response (ie GREAT BIG TAX) to climate change that Abbott proposes will need an army of public servants to administer.

Why is he so against a market-driven mechanism? Even China is implementing a carbon price.

BTW: Does Tony still think climate change is crap? Or is it "climate change is real, humanity does make a contribution to it and we’ve got to take effective action against it."

And if he wants to "take effective action against it." - why will he scrap the market driven mechanism and replace it with a far more expensive scheme?

He really doesn't appear to be very smart, does he.

It’s the Liberal way - dumb leaders who can be led around by the nose by business groups. They have no need to be clever just to do what they are told.

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Reply #22 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 7:44pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 7:30pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:16am:

Flannery is not a scientist,

His Degree in Earth Sciences and Doctorate in Zoology suggest otherwise.

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:16am:

he's a politician spruiking a particular world view which becomes more discredited as time goes on . . .as some of us realised it would.

I'm afraid that virtually every scientific and academic body on earth disagrees with you and whatever shock-jock you listen to.

LOL, god you really are full of it! But you do add humour to an otherwise boorish discussion.

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Reply #23 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 7:48pm

Rider wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 7:44pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 7:30pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:16am:

Flannery is not a scientist,

His Degree in Earth Sciences and Doctorate in Zoology suggest otherwise.

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:16am:

he's a politician spruiking a particular world view which becomes more discredited as time goes on . . .as some of us realised it would.

I'm afraid that virtually every scientific and academic body on earth disagrees with you and whatever shock-jock you listen to.

LOL, god you really are full of it! But you do add humour to an otherwise boorish discussion.

Actually, rider, he's right. Sorry to break it to you this way, but you've been brainwashed.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Reply #24 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 8:02pm

Rider wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 7:44pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 7:30pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:16am:

Flannery is not a scientist,

His Degree in Earth Sciences and Doctorate in Zoology suggest otherwise.

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:16am:

he's a politician spruiking a particular world view which becomes more discredited as time goes on . . .as some of us realised it would.

I'm afraid that virtually every scientific and academic body on earth disagrees with you and whatever shock-jock you listen to.

LOL, god you really are full of it! But you do add humour to an otherwise boorish discussion.

Could you give us an example of any scientific and academic bodies on the planet that claims that the theory behind anthropogenic global warming is being "discredited as time goes on"

That would be a good laugh, wouldn't it!

(Hint: 2GB and the Herald Sun are not scientific or academic bodies)

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Phallic Baldwin Senior Member Offline Phallic Baldwin Posts: 370 Gender:	Re: It Was Another Extreme Policy From Mr Abbott. Reply #25 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 8:39pm Flannery is a waste of money. Good move.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96597	Re: It Was Another Extreme Policy From Mr Abbott. Reply #26 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 8:52pm Phallic, Matty has money. His father gave him eighty thousand to go to New Zealand - no typo. Thoughts?
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Reply #27 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 5:30am

Swagman wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:35am:

all of those bureaucracies will go and I suspect we might find that the particular position you refer to goes with them," he told broadcaster Ray Hadley.

It was a stupid question - the Libs will never miss the opportunity to sack someone - anyone or everyone.

It is just what they do the best.

.......especially those that are porking from the public

Especially those who make absurd claims, such as that idiotic claim that QLD would never get enough rainfall to fill its dams again. Flannery is quite simply a moron, whose outlandish predictions never come anywhere near close to materialising...

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Reply #28 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 5:51am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 5:30am:

Swagman wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:35am:

all of those bureaucracies will go and I suspect we might find that the particular position you refer to goes with them," he told broadcaster Ray Hadley.

It was a stupid question - the Libs will never miss the opportunity to sack someone - anyone or everyone.

It is just what they do the best.

.......especially those that are porking from the public

Especially those who make absurd claims, such as that idiotic claim that QLD would never get enough rainfall to fill its dams again. Flannery is quite simply a moron, whose outlandish predictions never come anywhere near close to materialising...

This has been discussed ad nauseum. Not a single poster has been able to show us where Flannery actually made this prediction. Flannery knows the weather is variable, he knows that long term trends can be overwhelmed by specific weather events. If you read his work without filtering it through the echo chamber you would know your statement is a complete fabrication.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Reply #29 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 5:55am

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 5:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 5:30am:

Swagman wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 11:35am:

all of those bureaucracies will go and I suspect we might find that the particular position you refer to goes with them," he told broadcaster Ray Hadley.

It was a stupid question - the Libs will never miss the opportunity to sack someone - anyone or everyone.

It is just what they do the best.

.......especially those that are porking from the public

Especially those who make absurd claims, such as that idiotic claim that QLD would never get enough rainfall to fill its dams again. Flannery is quite simply a moron, whose outlandish predictions never come anywhere near close to materialising...

This has been discussed ad nauseum. Not a single poster has been able to show us where Flannery actually made this prediction. Flannery knows the weather is variable, if you read his work without filtering it through the echo chamber you would know your statement is a complete fabrication.

Really???

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