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Reply #15 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:14am

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 9:13pm:

Not only did the independents allow gillard to sell out the Australian people, they allowed their electorates to gain from it.

In my books, thats bordering on criminal. But let their electorates be happy getting more than other Australians, because they too are enslaved by labor's record debt.

Net debt is about 10% of GDP with interest payments requiring 0.5% of GDP. This is not a record debt level. If we had record debt levels we wouldn't belong to the elite 9As club. You have either been mislead, progs, or you want to mislead others.

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Reply #16 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 5:51am

Maqqa wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 9:16pm:

I wonder if there are any proof of these "wins"

These guys are going into an election and they are blamed as an accessory to the carbon tax

What have they got left after being screwed over by Gillard other than exaggerate their benefits

Oakeshott is distributing material claiming credit for the Kempsey bypass... despite it not even being in his electorate!!!

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Reply #17 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 6:37am

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:14am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 9:13pm:

Not only did the independents allow gillard to sell out the Australian people, they allowed their electorates to gain from it.

In my books, thats bordering on criminal. But let their electorates be happy getting more than other Australians, because they too are enslaved by labor's record debt.

Net debt is about 10% of GDP with interest payments requiring 0.5% of GDP. This is not a record debt level. If we had record debt levels we wouldn't belong to the elite 9As club. You have either been mislead, progs, or you want to mislead others.

You play the numbers, ill play the numbers.

Whichever numbers you play, it still points to a labor debt and taxes party being involved in creating the debt.

So I will stick to never ever seeing or knowing of a debt in Austrlia's of over $100 billion dollars. That is a record. That has significance to me.

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Reply #18 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 11:22am

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:14am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 9:13pm:

Not only did the independents allow gillard to sell out the Australian people, they allowed their electorates to gain from it.

In my books, thats bordering on criminal. But let their electorates be happy getting more than other Australians, because they too are enslaved by labor's record debt.

Net debt is about 10% of GDP with interest payments requiring 0.5% of GDP. This is not a record debt level. If we had record debt levels we wouldn't belong to the elite 9As club. You have either been mislead, progs, or you want to mislead others.

debt's $300,000,000,000

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woof woof Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1518 Gender:	Re: Independent MPs win for their electorates Reply #19 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 11:51am Is it true they have raised thedebt ceiling to 300Billion, I thought I heard that on the radio the other day?? You know why they raised it?? cause they need it, if the budget was insurplus you wouldn't need bigger credit card.
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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: Independent MPs win for their electorates Reply #20 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 2:51pm Maqqa wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 9:16pm: I wonder if there are any proof of these "wins" Straight out of the Murdoch Press, macca, so it MUST be true. How dare you question the Murdoch Press??? Shame on you!!
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Independent MPs win for their electorates Reply #21 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 2:54pm Way to go supporting pork-barrelling. bugger democracy eh?
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Reply #22 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:35pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 2:54pm:

Way to go supporting pork-barrelling.
bugger democracy eh?

Edward Everett Hale used the term pork barrel as a homely metaphor for any form of public spending to the citizenry.

People like yourself turned it into a derogatory term.

BTW...What will you call it if/when Abbott gets around to it??
Cheesy

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Reply #23 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 8:30am

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:14am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 9:13pm:

Not only did the independents allow gillard to sell out the Australian people, they allowed their electorates to gain from it.

In my books, thats bordering on criminal. But let their electorates be happy getting more than other Australians, because they too are enslaved by labor's record debt.

Net debt is about 10% of GDP with interest payments requiring 0.5% of GDP. This is not a record debt level. If we had record debt levels we wouldn't belong to the elite 9As club. You have either been mislead, progs, or you want to mislead others.

I dont know if you fully understand the meaning of 'record'. the current level of net govt debt (in real terms) is the highest in history ergo RECORD. the current deficit is the highest in history in real terms and is also RECORD. no other determination is possible.

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Reply #24 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 8:44am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:14am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 9:13pm:

Not only did the independents allow gillard to sell out the Australian people, they allowed their electorates to gain from it.

In my books, thats bordering on criminal. But let their electorates be happy getting more than other Australians, because they too are enslaved by labor's record debt.

Net debt is about 10% of GDP with interest payments requiring 0.5% of GDP. This is not a record debt level. If we had record debt levels we wouldn't belong to the elite 9As club. You have either been mislead, progs, or you want to mislead others.

I dont know if you fully understand the meaning of 'record'. the current level of net govt debt (in real terms) is the highest in history ergo RECORD. the current deficit is the highest in history in real terms and is also RECORD. no other determination is possible.

Actually as you know Longy you have to compare it to GDP or it means nothing.
You should also add that if we still had Howards record levels of taxation compared to GDP we would be in the black.
The tax cuts and debt were to support the country through the GFC and saved us from joining the rest of the west in what will amount to a decade long recession.
Your pick Longy..10% debt with tax cuts or a long and deep recession.

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Reply #25 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 8:57am

adelcrow wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 8:44am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:14am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 9:13pm:

Not only did the independents allow gillard to sell out the Australian people, they allowed their electorates to gain from it.

In my books, thats bordering on criminal. But let their electorates be happy getting more than other Australians, because they too are enslaved by labor's record debt.

Net debt is about 10% of GDP with interest payments requiring 0.5% of GDP. This is not a record debt level. If we had record debt levels we wouldn't belong to the elite 9As club. You have either been mislead, progs, or you want to mislead others.

I dont know if you fully understand the meaning of 'record'. the current level of net govt debt (in real terms) is the highest in history ergo RECORD. the current deficit is the highest in history in real terms and is also RECORD. no other determination is possible.

Actually as you know Longy you have to compare it to GDP or it means nothing.
You should also add that if we still had Howards record levels of taxation compared to GDP we would be in the black.
The tax cuts and debt were to support the country through the GFC and saved us from joining the rest of the west in what will amount to a decade long recession.
Your pick Longy..10% debt with tax cuts or a long and deep recession.

Actually, we still have howards levels of taxation. the same tax scales for companies, the same tax regime and even income tax is the same since the first tax cut under rudd was actually howards cuts. what we don't have is the same REVENUE. there were no GFC tax cuts for anyone.

try again.

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Reply #26 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:01am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 8:57am:

Actually, we still have howards levels of taxation. the same tax scales for companies, the same tax regime and even income tax is the same since the first tax cut under rudd was actually howards cuts. what we don't have is the same REVENUE. there were no GFC tax cuts for anyone.

try again.

Actually no, there have been significant tax cuts in income and company tax post-howard.

Howard was the highest taxing government in Australia's history. A place we do not to go near again.

Howards peak taxation was during the middle of his tenure when he kept outdated tax brackets on a booming economy. He was very, very slow to act. Criminally slow.

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Independent MPs win for their electorates Reply #27 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:02am I wish I had an independent as my representative.
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Reply #28 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:55am

Maqqa wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 9:16pm:

I wonder if there are any proof of these "wins"

These guys are going into an election and they are blamed as an accessory to the carbon tax

What have they got left after being screwed over by Gillard other than exaggerate their benefits

When you look at the original agreement and then look at the claims I rather think it would heve been pointed out by the conservatives if it wasn't true.

I.E. I rather suspect they would notice if the new hospital extension wasn't there or the School expansion didn't happen?

It would be a bit obvious to many of the residents?

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