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Reply #15 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 11:03am

cods wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

WILL SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO MOTR ONCE AND FOR ALL....

LIBS DO BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE......

IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A BILLION YEARS OR MORE..

ITS THE SCIENCE ON HUMAN CAUSED CLIMATE CHANGE THAT IS THE DEBATE...

that as far as i can make out no two scientists think alike....and quite a few cheat.Copenhagen told us that..

as long as we as humans are working on cleaning things up I am happy with that.

I really dont need to PANIC> and hypoventilate over every word.

Thats not what Abbott says ....

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Reply #16 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 11:04am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:08am:

Kudos to Greg Hunt for at least keeping it real. While Abbott's utterances on climate change seem intent on fostering an attitude of denialism,

Still trying to smear Abbott I see

He said the science is not settled and you want to label him as a climate change denier

Climate have been changing for over 4 billion years - no one is denying that

MOTR refuses to recognize the good, hard work on climate change being done by oil and gas companies.

He has a very "channelled" view on good/bad and this sort of view hinders action as opposed to helping.

Thats like saying Hitler was a humanitarian

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Reply #18 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 12:28pm

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

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But my information comes from a presentation made in Q4 at the American Petroleum Institute in Los Angeles

I see. No chance of bias then?

BTW, why do you think someone might end up in jail just because they put their money where their mouth is? What makes more sense to you - that they honestly believe what they are saying to the extent they will put their own money behind it, or that they put their own money behind something they know lacks a solid basis in the hope that they can bluster their way to a profit? It's not exactly like the petroleum industry where they had already sunk billions of dollars before the issue came up, and it hardly paints this petroleum industry propaganda in a good light that they are accusing scientists of doing what everyone knows they have been up to.

Because its called 'stacking the deck' and you are directly profiting from warnings made and influencing the market.

When analysts make calls on stock or industry changes, they need to declare their interests.

1. "Scientist" makes alarming calls relating to climate and processes which hinder (coal, shale gas, oil) and that renewable energy is cleaner.

2. If said individual is a direct 'innovator' or monetary beneficiary of a green product or process, he will see a benefit to that directly as a result of his own comments or warnings.

EG,
If an analyst has shares in JP Morgan and then as a 'leading industry commentator' hangs crap on Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Wells Fargo - he stands to benefit from frightened investors running to JP.
It's exactly the same process.

The conference having an hour to have this data presented, merely served to highlight that some of these individuals are not mere by-standers but direct profiteers of their doomsday predictions.

Which is classic stacking the deck.

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Re: Greg Hunt shows up Abbott.
Reply #19 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 12:28pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 11:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:08am:

Kudos to Greg Hunt for at least keeping it real. While Abbott's utterances on climate change seem intent on fostering an attitude of denialism,

Still trying to smear Abbott I see

He said the science is not settled and you want to label him as a climate change denier

Climate have been changing for over 4 billion years - no one is denying that

MOTR refuses to recognize the good, hard work on climate change being done by oil and gas companies.

He has a very "channelled" view on good/bad and this sort of view hinders action as opposed to helping.

Thats like saying Hitler was a humanitarian

If I thought for a second you knew what you were on about regarding the industry and the work being done I would address any points you made.

But you have no idea and simply follow the crowd on this one.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Greg Hunt shows up Abbott. Reply #20 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 12:31pm $700 million on cleaner energy delivery. Doing nothing? How many Aussie companies are spending $700m?
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Rider Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2669 OnTheRoad Gender:	Re: Greg Hunt shows up Abbott. Reply #21 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 12:43pm As a potential future leader, Hunt can't afford to be on the wrong side of History Greg Hunt .... potential future leader... REALLY??? News to me, why?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49426 At my desk.	Re: Greg Hunt shows up Abbott. Reply #22 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:00pm Quote: The conference having an hour to have this data presented, merely served to highlight that some of these individuals are not mere by-standers but direct profiteers of their doomsday predictions. Some? I thought it was 80%? What changed? Did common sense kick in?
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Re: Greg Hunt shows up Abbott.
Reply #23 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:02pm

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

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The conference having an hour to have this data presented, merely served to highlight that some of these individuals are not mere by-standers but direct profiteers of their doomsday predictions.

Some? I thought it was 80%? What changed? Did common sense kick in?

80% is a fair number of the leading scientists that have directly invested into alternative energy projects.

Of that figure "some" will make comment with the intent of pushing their own projects and profit from them.

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Reply #24 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:03pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 11:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:08am:

Kudos to Greg Hunt for at least keeping it real. While Abbott's utterances on climate change seem intent on fostering an attitude of denialism,

Still trying to smear Abbott I see

He said the science is not settled and you want to label him as a climate change denier

Climate have been changing for over 4 billion years - no one is denying that

MOTR refuses to recognize the good, hard work on climate change being done by oil and gas companies.

He has a very "channelled" view on good/bad and this sort of view hinders action as opposed to helping.

Thats like saying Hitler was a humanitarian

If I thought for a second you knew what you were on about regarding the industry and the work being done I would address any points you made.

But you have no idea and simply follow the crowd on this one.

as if I care what the puppet says .... you seriously think your puppet masters want to move away from fossil fuels?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Greg Hunt shows up Abbott. Reply #25 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:16pm No of course not, we just spend $700m of shareholders money to be fashionable. You realize most Aussie companies don't even earn what we spent on climate beneficial R&D in a single year?
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Reply #26 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:21pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

No of course not, we just spend $700m of shareholders money to be fashionable.

You realize most Aussie companies don't even earn what we spent on climate beneficial R&D in a single year?

You spend $700 m because they know the fossil fuel industry is in for a big wake up call. They know that if they don't get ahead of the ballgame they'll soon not make any profits ... Doing nothing will cost them more in the long term ... don't pretend its because of some sort of desire to do good. They couldn't give a crap how much they pollute .... it's only about prolonging there own shelf life.

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Reply #27 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:55pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

I can't speak for what XOM are doing but I would also point out that 80% of the top pro-climate change scientists have invested monetarily in renewable energy start up projects.

In financial market terms, that can land you in a jail cell in a different situation.

Speaking out on a subject, whipping up fear, and profiting from that fear by investing in the projects which benefit from the hysteria whipped up?

So don't talk to me about the ethics of some of the scientists.

"MOTR refuses to recognize the good, hard work on climate change being done by oil and gas companies."...andrei.

Must have been this bit made me think you were speaking for the whole industry.

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Re: Greg Hunt shows up Abbott.
Reply #28 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:10pm

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:08am:

Kudos to Greg Hunt for at least keeping it real. While Abbott's utterances on climate change seem intent on fostering an attitude of denialism,

Still trying to smear Abbott I see

He said the science is not settled and you want to label him as a climate change denier

Climate have been changing for over 4 billion years - no one is denying that

No, Maqqa, no one is denying that. I'm sure like the rest of us, Abbott believes that there have been ice ages in the past. He probably even believes in AGW. My beef with Abbott is that he's not prepared to lead. He'd rather dog whistle the deniers of AGW, than show true leadership on this issue. When a bipartisan approach was desperately required, Abbott sold us all out.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Greg Hunt shows up Abbott. Reply #29 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:27pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:16pm: No of course not, we just spend $700m of shareholders money to be fashionable. You realize most Aussie companies don't even earn what we spent on climate beneficial R&D in a single year? How much does your company pay for the right to pollute our atmosphere, Andrei.
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