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Greg Hunt shows up Abbott.
Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:08am

Kudos to Greg Hunt for at least keeping it real. While Abbott's utterances on climate change seem intent on fostering an attitude of denialism, Hunt is at least prepared to accept the science of climate change. His unambigous support for the science of climate change is in stark contrast to his vacillating leader who, as Australian Greens leader Christine Milne reminded us yesterday, has previously labelled the science of climate change as 'crap'. As a potential future leader, Hunt can't afford to be on the wrong side of History.

Unfortunately, Hunt is led by an incompetent. While right wingers play lip service to the importance of our entrepreneurs, they have tied themselves to a man who seems more interested in the fealty of rent seekers than in the fostering innovation and entrepreneurship. Abbott's direct action policy is an abomination of a policy. It's a prohibitively expensive policy built on corporate welfare at the expense of the tax payer. While it will certainly concentrate the mind of rent seekers depicted by our good friend Andrei, it's doesnt unleash the power of entrepreneurs and innovators. It doesn't harness the cummulative power of millions of consumers looking for low CO2 alternatives. Quite simply it doesn't give us a price signal and is economically more closely alligned to a Stalinalistic five year plan than true economic liberalism. Handing out tax payers money to polluters is an incredibly inefficient way of reducing CO2 emissions.

So, Greg, thanks for living in the real world, but you know what you can do with that dog of a policy you are trying to sell us.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Greg Hunt shows up Abbott. Reply #1 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 5:50am Thankyou Tony Abbott for keeping it real with climate science that is far from settled and not just going with the people who obviously like to control every aspect of our lives. Usually the progressives. You get my vote.
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Reply #2 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:14am

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:08am:

Kudos to Greg Hunt for at least keeping it real. While Abbott's utterances on climate change seem intent on fostering an attitude of denialism,

Still trying to smear Abbott I see

He said the science is not settled and you want to label him as a climate change denier

Climate have been changing for over 4 billion years - no one is denying that

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Reply #3 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:17am

i'm not a climate denier.
sir richard attenborrough says its real and thats good enough for me.

i am however a denier of the ability of government to do a smacking thing about it.

so , its up to individuals to reduce their carbon footprint. governments around the world cant agree on trade agreements for apples and bananas Wink

do you really think they will co operate on this.

if you do you are a certifiable lunatic

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Reply #4 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:34am

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:08am:

Kudos to Greg Hunt for at least keeping it real. While Abbott's utterances on climate change seem intent on fostering an attitude of denialism,

Still trying to smear Abbott I see

He said the science is not settled and you want to label him as a climate change denier

Climate have been changing for over 4 billion years - no one is denying that

He also said it is crap and that the reson the Liberals need a pretend solution is just because of the politics, apparently most people think something needs to be done even though he thinks it's all crap.

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Reply #5 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:42am

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:08am:

Kudos to Greg Hunt for at least keeping it real. While Abbott's utterances on climate change seem intent on fostering an attitude of denialism,

Still trying to smear Abbott I see

He said the science is not settled and you want to label him as a climate change denier

Climate have been changing for over 4 billion years - no one is denying that

MOTR refuses to recognize the good, hard work on climate change being done by oil and gas companies.

He has a very "channelled" view on good/bad and this sort of view hinders action as opposed to helping.

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Reply #6 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:48am

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 5:50am:

Thankyou Tony Abbott for keeping it real with climate science that is far from settled and not just going with the people who obviously like to control every aspect of our lives. Usually the progressives.

You get my vote.

Glad to see you've climbed down off the fence at last, progs. Wink

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Reply #7 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:51am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

Maqqa wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:08am:

Kudos to Greg Hunt for at least keeping it real. While Abbott's utterances on climate change seem intent on fostering an attitude of denialism,

Still trying to smear Abbott I see

He said the science is not settled and you want to label him as a climate change denier

Climate have been changing for over 4 billion years - no one is denying that

MOTR refuses to recognize the good, hard work on climate change being done by oil and gas companies.

He has a very "channelled" view on good/bad and this sort of view hinders action as opposed to helping.

Exxon Mobil for example has spent enourmous amounts of money funding climate change denial scientists and organisations in order to muddy the water as much as possible and stem the tide of public opinion for as long as possible, then to delay action for as long as possible.

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Reply #8 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:54am

I can't speak for what XOM are doing but I would also point out that 80% of the top pro-climate change scientists have invested monetarily in renewable energy start up projects.

In financial market terms, that can land you in a jail cell in a different situation.

Speaking out on a subject, whipping up fear, and profiting from that fear by investing in the projects which benefit from the hysteria whipped up?

So don't talk to me about the ethics of some of the scientists.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49426 At my desk.	Re: Greg Hunt shows up Abbott. Reply #9 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 10:24am Quote: I would also point out that 80% of the top pro-climate change scientists have invested monetarily in renewable energy start up projects Did you know that 80% of statistics are completely made up?
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Reply #10 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 10:43am

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 10:24am:

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I would also point out that 80% of the top pro-climate change scientists have invested monetarily in renewable energy start up projects

Did you know that 80% of statistics are completely made up?

I am sure they are.
But my information comes from a presentation made in Q4 at the American Petroleum Institute in Los Angeles, where the list of names of the scientists and their relevant investments were put up as an example of some of the vested interests of parties not necessarily friendly to Petroleum companies.

Pretty damn sure you can't present to the Institute without it backed up.

80% was obviously a 'rounded' figure.

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Reply #11 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 10:45am

However back to the point I was making, my company for example spent $700m in one year on R&D into environmental improvement sourcing, newer energy sourcing and process improvements to benefit cleaner air.

$700m.

Most companies in Australia do not even earn that on the top line and we spent it just in R&D on environment.

Listen to MOTR and his ilk though and you'd think oil and gas companies sit on their hands and obstruct.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

I would argue our CEO and Chairman is more important globally than Julia Gillard.
He is certainly as powerful.

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Reply #12 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 10:53am

WILL SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO MOTR ONCE AND FOR ALL....

LIBS DO BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE......

IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A BILLION YEARS OR MORE..

ITS THE SCIENCE ON HUMAN CAUSED CLIMATE CHANGE THAT IS THE DEBATE...

that as far as i can make out no two scientists think alike....and quite a few cheat.Copenhagen told us that..

as long as we as humans are working on cleaning things up I am happy with that.

I really dont need to PANIC> and hypoventilate over every word.

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Reply #13 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 10:54am

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But my information comes from a presentation made in Q4 at the American Petroleum Institute in Los Angeles

I see. No chance of bias then?

BTW, why do you think someone might end up in jail just because they put their money where their mouth is? What makes more sense to you - that they honestly believe what they are saying to the extent they will put their own money behind it, or that they put their own money behind something they know lacks a solid basis in the hope that they can bluster their way to a profit? It's not exactly like the petroleum industry where they had already sunk billions of dollars before the issue came up, and it hardly paints this petroleum industry propaganda in a good light that they are accusing scientists of doing what everyone knows they have been up to.

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