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Reply #15 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 10:49am
 
Chard wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 7:13am:
And we have way the hell more capability to kill people and break sh*t than the NorKs do.


Doesn't mean you have the capability of winning wars.
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Reply #16 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 11:36am
 
Ringer wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 10:49am:
Chard wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 7:13am:
And we have way the hell more capability to kill people and break sh*t than the NorKs do.


Doesn't mean you have the capability of winning wars.



lol!!! that's obvious

Won't you be running out of manpower soon Chard? Your soldiers are necking themselves quicker than the Taliban can say  "Allahu Akbar".

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Reply #17 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 11:43am
 
The Yanks can't afford another war - they are already bankrupt.

The fat one knows this so he's pushing his luck.
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Reply #18 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 11:45am
 
Whatever their history, and no doubt they've taken several kicks in the teeth, as has China, we come back to the point of where they are at now.
Whenever I see a film clip of NK I think I'm back watching a Nuremberg Rally. Only the North Koreans do the goosestep even better.
We've got a mixture here of a country that thinks it's a victim of oppression and a leadership that thinks the only way to stay in power is to use oppression and aggression.
The only thing the rest of the world can do is try to contain it peacefully and not overreact. I can't see Obama overreacting.
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Reply #19 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 12:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 11:43am:
The Yanks can't afford another war - they are already bankrupt.

The fat one knows this so he's pushing his luck.



Unless China wants to bankroll this war, it won't happen, and I doubt China want a bar of it.

America's got nothing and the EU zone is no better off, that's why Kim Jong Un can afford to be a bit aggressive, he knows they're financially impotent. They will most likely beg other nation's to finance the war on their behalf, but I wonder if any will take up the offer.

Now would the best time to strike America, if North Korea are that way inclined, but I don't really think they want war any more than we do. They just know that they can afford to flex their muscles a bit.

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Reply #20 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 12:17pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 11:45am:
Whatever their history, and no doubt they've taken several kicks in the teeth, as has China, we come back to the point of where they are at now.
Whenever I see a film clip of NK I think I'm back watching a Nuremberg Rally. Only the North Koreans do the goosestep even better.
We've got a mixture here of a country that thinks it's a victim of oppression and a leadership that thinks the only way to stay in power is to use oppression and aggression.
The only thing the rest of the world can do is try to contain it peacefully and not overreact. I can't see Obama overreacting.


In some ways it would be better to have a republican president, they generally aren't under any pressure to be seen as 'strong leaders', ( but not the chimp obviously ).

'Conventional warfare' is a bit of an oxymoron; the main point being to introduce new factors that give a massive advantage. That said there's little doubt that American firepower is greater than any army they'd care to take on.

Right now China is 'onside', but if Americans start lobbing nukes into NK you can safely bet that wont last.

the problem of NK has been deferred far too long. It really has to be dealt with once and for all. The only way of doing that seems to me for America to take a step back publicly, while privately offering China all the support they'd like to sort out the problem. It is China's problem and they need to step up.

Best thing would be for China to invite Kim to Beijing and arrest him Grin I'm betting their intelligence on the ground situation is better than anybody elses.

It's a bad situation, Nk is almost certainly bluffing and blustering but ignoring them while they build nuclear capability is fraught with risk for the worlds next generation.
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Reply #21 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 12:38pm
 
Why do you say it is China's problem?
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Re: Lets take a moment to consider North Korea..
Reply #22 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 2:17pm
 
Ringer wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 10:49am:
Chard wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 7:13am:
And we have way the hell more capability to kill people and break sh*t than the NorKs do.


Doesn't mean you have the capability of winning wars.


Actually that's precisely how you win at conventional, symetrical warfare. Turns out it works for nuclear war as well.
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Reply #23 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 3:14pm
 
Funny thing is I have been reading newspapers, watching newsreels and TV news for more than 50 years and I cant recall ever seeing one American victory parade.

So if you know how to win wars why doesn't your government?
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Reply #24 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 3:27pm
 
Lets take a moment to consider North Korea..

OK


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Done - whats next.
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Reply #25 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 3:28pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 3:27pm:
Lets take a moment to consider North Korea..

OK


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Done - whats next.



That more than most people manage... Smiley
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Reply #26 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 3:53pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 12:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 11:43am:
The Yanks can't afford another war - they are already bankrupt.

The fat one knows this so he's pushing his luck.



Unless China wants to bankroll this war, it won't happen, and I doubt China want a bar of it.

America's got nothing and the EU zone is no better off, that's why Kim Jong Un can afford to be a bit aggressive, he knows they're financially impotent. They will most likely beg other nation's to finance the war on their behalf, but I wonder if any will take up the offer.

Now would the best time to strike America, if North Korea are that way inclined, but I don't really think they want war any more than we do. They just know that they can afford to flex their muscles a bit.



Hi Pansi,
It's all quite interesting -
the last time we had a nuclear crisis like this was October 1962 in Cuba.
That all fizzled out but they weren't dealing with the dear one.


It's all quite reckless to play with these nuclear toys.
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Reply #27 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 4:16pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 3:53pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 12:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 11:43am:
The Yanks can't afford another war - they are already bankrupt.

The fat one knows this so he's pushing his luck.



Unless China wants to bankroll this war, it won't happen, and I doubt China want a bar of it.

America's got nothing and the EU zone is no better off, that's why Kim Jong Un can afford to be a bit aggressive, he knows they're financially impotent. They will most likely beg other nation's to finance the war on their behalf, but I wonder if any will take up the offer.

Now would the best time to strike America, if North Korea are that way inclined, but I don't really think they want war any more than we do. They just know that they can afford to flex their muscles a bit.



Hi Pansi,
It's all quite interesting -
the last time we had a nuclear crisis like this was October 1962 in Cuba.
That all fizzled out but they weren't dealing with the dear one.


It's all quite reckless to play with these nuclear toys.



The Cuban crisis was essentially the same thing bobby. Old men sizing up their testicles to see who has the biggest pair.

I think this one will fizzle out too.

Don't forget the yanks have painted Kim Jong Un's father, Castro, Gorbachov, Putin and numerous others over the years, as mad men who were ready to end the world.

I wouldn't take any notice of them, just a desperate president looking for sympathy for his crumbling country. America.....distraction issues. We do the same ie boat people, gay marriage.....distraction issues.
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Re: Lets take a moment to consider North Korea..
Reply #28 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 4:33pm
 
Yes Pansi,
who has the biggest balls?
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Reply #29 - Apr 6th, 2013 at 4:36pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 4:33pm:
Yes Pansi,
who has the biggest balls?


I don't think the President of South Korea would have any. Wink
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