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Reply #45 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 2:26pm
 
Mnemonic wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 2:11pm:
It was only after Churchill showed that he would stand up to the Germans that Roosevelt offered to send ships and supplies to Britain.



Oh dear!  It seems you are saying that had Churchill not convinced Roosevelt  the Nazis would have been able to conquer all of Europe  (then attack Russia, get defeated and leave Stalin as master of all Europe, North Africa, the Middle East and parts of Asia).
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Reply #46 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 2:35pm
 
Can I recommend people view "The World at War", possibly the best doco series ever made.
Episode 4 - Britain Alone.

The benefits of this series were that it is made in 1971. The men who were there are still just middle aged.
The Luftwaffe commander met Hitler following the Battle of Britain.

He told Hitler that the episode showed that his men cannot defeat Britain from the air alone and that future attacks must be supported by a land invasion.

Hitler stated to him he had no intention whatsoever of sending an invasion force.

Hitler was bemused why Britain - who he regarded as "genetic cousin" to Germans refused to align with Germany.

He stated the aim was the attacking of the "unter menschen" people in the East and Britain will come around later.

So while it is true that Hitler never intended to invade Britain, even those at the top of the Luftwaffe didn't know this at the time.
The threat of invasion was very real and there would be precious little Roosevelt could have done with an isolationist Congress and the likes of Joe Kennedy fighting him there.
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Reply #47 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:03pm
 
Ringer wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 11:02am:
Chard wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 6:54am:
Go look up the  "Lend-Lease Act". Then go look up "Operation Sealöwe" so you can understand why Britain never was under any serious threat of invasion.


Battle for Britain,  Summer 1940.  Operation Sea Lion abandoned in Sept (?) 1940. 

Lend lease act signed March 1941.


You asked where the US was when Britain was under threat of invasion, not where we were when the Battle of Britian happened, you dishonest sh*t. I brought up Sealöwe to show that Britain never was under an actual threat of being invaded. Lend-Lease was an example of us not only selling the UK the weapons, munitions, and raw material they needed on one hell of a line of crefit.


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Maybe, perhaps you have an education but you should ask for a refund on your tuition fees...


That's pretty hilarious coming from a guy that can't read and whose knowledge of history requires and internet connection.

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After his failure to invade Britain Hitler turned towards invading the USSR.  Perhaps he thought he could win that one but it might have been thought by others that he would fail. 


Germany invaded Russia in order to secure access to middle eastern oil, and it would have had a much greater chance of success had a massive increase in allied heavy bombing not happened. Once the US got in on the act with the RAAF, Germany was forced to divert hundreds of thousands of men and millions of tons of ordinamce for air defense that could have gone to the eastern front.


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If Hitler attacked the USSR in 1941 and had been beaten America might have found themselves in a world where Britain was reduced to a barely significant island and Stalin ruled all Europe.  Is that why the US managed to draw up the courage necessary to get involved?  Were they prepared to live with a Nazi Europe but not a Communist Europe?


No, we planned on destroying Germany back in '38.  Russia simply did not have the capability to take on Germany alone.
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Reply #48 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:06pm
 
Chard wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:03pm:
You asked where the US was when Britain was under threat of invasion, not where we were when the Battle of Britian happened, you dishonest sh*t. I brought up Sealöwe to show that Britain never was under an actual threat of being invaded. Lend-Lease was an example of us not only selling the UK the weapons, munitions, and raw material they needed on one hell of a line of crefit.




I wonder if it is dishonesty or ignorance that causes you to ignore that their failure in the Battle of Britain was what caused the Nazis to abandon Operation Sealion.
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Reply #49 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:08pm
 
Mnemonic wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 2:11pm:
It was only after Churchill showed that he would stand up to the Germans that Roosevelt offered to send ships and supplies to Britain.


No, that was what enabled FDR to get Lend-Lease past congress.
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Reply #50 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:12pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 2:35pm:
The threat of invasion was very real and there would be precious little Roosevelt could have done with an isolationist Congress and the likes of Joe Kennedy fighting him there.


Ok, you can read a map, yes? Britain is a smacking island and Germamy didn't have the ships needed to  get a large enough force to Britain. How the hell was Geany supposed to invade short of teaching their soldiers to walk on water?
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Reply #51 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:15pm
 
Did you know that people can swim across The Channel?
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Reply #52 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:40pm
 
Ringer wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
Did you know that people can swim across The Channel?


It would be pretty exhausting carrying all those weapons and ammunition across. I also don't think armoured tanks and artillery can swim and I don't think the dolphins in the sea would have been strong enough to carry them across for the Germans.
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Reply #53 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:43pm
 
Ringer wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
Did you know that people can swim across The Channel?


Let's not forget that the food would get wet and you might have sharks following you. There's also jellyfish and they can be nasty too. Millions of German soldiers would make a great meal for the creatures in the sea. Yummy humans.
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Reply #54 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:50pm
 
Didn't Napolean think of using a tunnel?
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Reply #55 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 4:10pm
 
Ringer wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:50pm:
Didn't Napolean think of using a tunnel?


The problem with the Germans digging a tunnel all the way to England is that the British could easily send some divers under the sea and blow it up. The British would likely be doing reconnaissance on the coast of the European mainland and if they noticed the Germans transporting dirt from the tunnel, they would think something fishy was going on. Even if they did reach England, how quickly could the army get across? You would only have 12 hours between sunset and sunrise to poke up from a hole in the ground and get into position. There's no way of knowing for sure where you'd be. A few miscalculations and you could end up in the middle of a barracks. The element of surprise would be uncertain.
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Reply #56 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 4:15pm
 
Ringer wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
Did you know that people can swim across The Channel?


Germany PTing their entire military enough for their soldiers to not only swim the channel, but do so carrying all their kit is only slightly less improbable then successfully teaching them to walk on water.
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Reply #57 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 4:19pm
 
http://www.news.com.au/world-news/growing-fears-that-north-korea-actually-has-th...

Growing fears that North Korea actually has the technology to launch nuclear missiles
From: News Limited Network
April 07, 2013 10:29AM


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A South Korean soldier stands on a military guard post near the demilitarized zone (DMZ) dividing the two Koreas in the border city of Paju. Source: AFP
THE United States has delayed testing one of its own intercontinental ballistic missiles as some analysts say they believe North Korea can launch nuclear warheads.
A senior defence official has said the Pentagon delayed an intercontinental ballistic missile test in order not to inflame already flash-point tensions with the rogue state.
Scheduled to be launched this week from the  Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, the official said Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel decided to put off the long-planned Minuteman 3 test until sometime next month.
The test was not connected to the ongoing U.S.-South Korean military exercises that have been going on in that region and have stoked North Korean anger and fueled an escalation in threatening actions and rhetoric.
North Korea's military warned earlier this week that it was authorized to attack the U.S. using "smaller, lighter and diversified" nuclear weapons.
However, North Korea is generally regarded d as being years away from perfecting the technology to back up its bold threats of a pre-emptive strike on the United States.
But a recent string of successful tests has introduced a strong measure of doubt.


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" A senior defence official has said the Pentagon delayed an intercontinental ballistic missile test in order not to inflame already flash-point tensions with the rogue state.
Scheduled to be launched this week from the  Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, the official said Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel decided to put off the long-planned Minuteman 3 test until sometime next month. "


did'nt the US threaten nuclear war with russia

at one stage circa cuban missile crisis and

the bay of pigs?


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Reply #58 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 4:19pm
 
I think we can all agree that Britain was in no real danger of a German invasion.

But the British didn't know that at the time and neither did the Americans.
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Reply #59 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 4:33pm
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 7th, 2013 at 4:19pm:
I think we can all agree that Britain was in no real danger of a German invasion.

But the British didn't know that at the time and neither did the Americans.


British and US intelligence were perfectly aware of Germany's lack of ships, and unlike some people they could read a map well enough to know you can't invade an island without ships.

Let this be a lesson for why watch tv documentaries on a subject is no substitute for having received formal education on that subject.
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