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Did America learn anything from Hitler?
Apr 7^th, 2013 at 11:21am

Looking through notes regarding Hitlers plan to invade Russia I was reminded of the 'Barbarossa jurisdiction Decree', which exempted German soldiers from prosecution if they committed a crime against any Soviet civilian.

America has exempted itself and her military from prosecution should they commit crimes against civilians in countries such as Iraq (or anywhere else in the world for that matter).

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Did America learn anything from Hitler? Reply #1 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am Now you've mentioned it. and the people sleep...... 13 Similarities Between Obama And Hitler http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/obama/obama-and-hitler-similarities.htm
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Chard Gold Member Offline Mein Führer! I can walk! Posts: 1077 Alabama, USA Gender:	Re: Did America learn anything from Hitler? Reply #2 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:38pm You know a thread is going to be retarded when it violates Godwin's Law in the very first post.
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Reply #3 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:42pm

Ringer wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

Looking through notes regarding Hitlers plan to invade Russia I was reminded of the 'Barbarossa jurisdiction Decree', which exempted German soldiers from prosecution if they committed a crime against any Soviet civilian.

America has exempted itself and her military from prosecution should they commit crimes against civilians in countries such as Iraq (or anywhere else in the world for that matter).

We shouldn't let Godwin's Law prevent us from making unflattering comparisons.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Did America learn anything from Hitler? Reply #4 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:49pm Godwin's Law said the longer an Internet discussion continues, the more likely it is that Hitler or the Nazis will be mentioned. When the theme of the discussion is Hitler or the Nazis, the the law surely doesn't apply. Suggesting it does is a way to avoid discussing the topic.
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Reply #5 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:59pm

I'll always remember Saddam Hussein posturing about 'the mother of all wars' that he promised the U.S. his soldiers folded like butter against the well trained and well equipped U.S. military in the shock and awe campaign they waged against Hussein.

The tactics were extremely close to the German blitzkrieg.

Detractors of America forget so quickly that Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons on his own people and butchered hundreds of thousands of them.

Forgive me saying so but I don't believe that its the status quo these days.

The U.S. has got rid of a couple of notable tyrants and the people of Iraq and Afghanistan have a better future than they ever had under their butchers.

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Reply #6 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 5:15pm

Ringer wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

America has exempted itself and her military from prosecution should they commit crimes against civilians in countries such as Iraq (or anywhere else in the world for that matter).

I've read any number of reports in which US soldiers are cited for disciplinary action due to unethical behaviour whilst part of a combat force in a foreign country.

But curiously, I have yet to read of even a single instance in which an enemy soldier has been under arrest by his own military leadership for transgressions against humanity whilst in a combat zone.

But don't let that faze you, Ringo.

Please continue with your vendetta against all things Western ~ especially the Americans. I know it's all part of your rehabilitation therapy for bad potty training when you were but a wee bairn.

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Reply #7 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 5:18pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:49pm:

Godwin's Law said the longer an Internet discussion continues, the more likely it is that Hitler or the Nazis will be mentioned.

When the theme of the discussion is Hitler or the Nazis, the the law surely doesn't apply. Suggesting it does is a way to avoid discussing the topic.

The Godwin is also a benchmard for how absurd a discussion can potentially become, Peter. If we look at the topic of the thread honestly it's plainly evident that any argument pointing out smilarities between Hitler and Obama or the US to Nazi can be applied to just about any nation and its leadership. If Ringer was honest he'd just acknowledge that this thread is not about discussing anything other than how bad his perception of the US is. This thread is every bit as retarded as a Fox News opinion piece comparing Democrat politicians to Nazis.

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Reply #8 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 5:37pm

red baron wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

I'll always remember Saddam Hussein posturing about 'the mother of all wars' that he promised the U.S. his soldiers folded like butter against the well trained and well equipped U.S. military in the shock and awe campaign they waged against Hussein.

The tactics were extremely close to the German blitzkrieg.

Detractors of America forget so quickly that Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons on his own people and butchered hundreds of thousands of them.

Forgive me saying so but I don't believe that its the status quo these days.

The U.S. has got rid of a couple of notable tyrants and the people of Iraq and Afghanistan have a better future than they ever had under their butchers.

Red, I hope you are right about Iraq and Afghanistan, but I have my doubts. Getting rid of tyrants is the easy part, building new nations based on freedom and tolerance is the difficult bit, particularly in countries that have known little other than fear, hatred and violence.

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Reply #9 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 5:39pm

Chard wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 5:18pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:49pm:

Godwin's Law said the longer an Internet discussion continues, the more likely it is that Hitler or the Nazis will be mentioned.

When the theme of the discussion is Hitler or the Nazis, the the law surely doesn't apply. Suggesting it does is a way to avoid discussing the topic.

The Godwin is also a benchmard for how absurd a discussion can potentially become, Peter. If we look at the topic of the thread honestly it's plainly evident that any argument pointing out smilarities between Hitler and Obama or the US to Nazi can be applied to just about any nation and its leadership. If Ringer was honest he'd just acknowledge that this thread is not about discussing anything other than how bad his perception of the US is. This thread is every bit as retarded as a Fox News opinion piece comparing Democrat politicians to Nazis.

Fair point, Chard.

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Mnemonic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1530 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Did America learn anything from Hitler? Reply #11 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 5:59pm Chard wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:38pm: You know a thread is going to be retarded when it violates Godwin's Law in the very first post. It seems more like confirmation than violation. A discussion that violates Godwin's Law is one where Hitler and Nazis is never mentioned or referenced.
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Re: Did America learn anything from Hitler?
Reply #12 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 6:06pm

Chard wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 5:18pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:49pm:

Godwin's Law said the longer an Internet discussion continues, the more likely it is that Hitler or the Nazis will be mentioned.

When the theme of the discussion is Hitler or the Nazis, the the law surely doesn't apply. Suggesting it does is a way to avoid discussing the topic.

The Godwin is also a benchmard for how absurd a discussion can potentially become, Peter. If we look at the topic of the thread honestly it's plainly evident that any argument pointing out smilarities between Hitler and Obama or the US to Nazi can be applied to just about any nation and its leadership. If Ringer was honest he'd just acknowledge that this thread is not about discussing anything other than how bad his perception of the US is. This thread is every bit as retarded as a Fox News opinion piece comparing Democrat politicians to Nazis.

I disagree, Chard. The point being made is that Obama's exemption of the US military from prosecution should they commit crimes against civilians is equivalent to the Barbarossa jurisdiction Decree', which exempted German soldiers from prosecution if they committed a crime against any Soviet civilian.

So far raising Godwin's Law has prevented an honest discussion of this claim. Perhaps it is an unfair comparison, I don't have enough information to form an opinion. Perhap's ridicule was the appropriate response, we shall see.

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Re: Did America learn anything from Hitler?
Reply #13 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 6:07pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Now you've mentioned it.

and the people sleep......

13 Similarities Between Obama And Hitler

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/obama/obama-and-hitler-similarities.htm

Stupid link.

Encouraging to find a point of agreement, chicken lips.

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Re: Did America learn anything from Hitler?
Reply #14 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 6:18pm

MOTR wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

I disagree, Chard. The point being made is that Obama's exemption of the US military from prosecution should they commit crimes against civilians is equivalent to the Barbarossa jurisdiction Decree', which exempted German soldiers from prosecution if they committed a crime against any Soviet civilian.

So far raising Godwin's Law has prevented an honest discussion of this claim. Perhaps it is an unfair comparison, I don't have enough information to form an opinion. Perhap's ridicule was the appropriate response, we shall see.

I am sure there are a few here who would not like to see that comparison. America even extended the exemption to 'civilian contractors', i.e. mercenaries.

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