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Reply #15 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 3:01pm

People should be given alternative life style choices to being a wage slave in the capitalist system.

Is that crazy talk? Of course not. Many dream of a rural, self sufficirnt life style. Yet the land of the Ord river has been given to the Chinese rather than allocation to Australians who'd jump at the opportunity to be part of something different. Land is one thing Australia has plenty of, but all governments do is steal back public open space to give to developers.

Prison farms are Kibbutz, but by their nature they cost a fortune per head to run. It would cost very little to set up such communities where people could live voluntarily.

Water - many would shout. But much of Australia is turning to desert because there's too much waterm rising in the ground and bringing salt. Taking salt out of water isn't rocket science. Israel runs an agricultural economy using salt water. Solar energy is free energy. There's limitless possibilities once you step out of the box.

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Re: Mr Abbott Will The under 30s Be Cut Off The Dole.
Reply #17 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 6:14am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 2:36pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Swagman wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Seriously how many times has it been pointed out to you? There arent enough jobs for everyone

I do not believe that to be the case Borg.

This is from january

http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/job-vacancies-plunge-as-confidence-slides-20130...

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Australia had only 166,000 vacant jobs in November, down from 193,000 two years earlier. More than 600,000 Australians were looking for work.

How many looking for jobs?

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Hellooooo swagman! are you trying to ignore this?

SOB

Swagman you need to acknowledge this so we can move on and you can stop saying that everyone can "get a job".

SOB

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Reply #18 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 7:56am

Swagman wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 8:40am:

Kat wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Swagman wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 8:31am:

Unemployed and < 30 and into the army..... Cheesy

Don't be daft!

That makes no more sense that the idiotic idea of Abbott's to send them all down the mines.

......yes I suppose getting a job is a bit much to propose for someone unemployed..... Cheesy

What am I thinking...... Cheesy

OK then PROVIDE A JOB you Ignorant Bastard Swagman.

There are JOBS out there Employers screaming for workers and no one will put unemployed people into jobs.

Its not the attitude of the unemployed.

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Re: Mr Abbott Will The under 30s Be Cut Off The Dole.
Reply #19 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:01am

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

Kat wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Swagman wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 8:31am:

Unemployed and < 30 and into the army..... Cheesy

Don't be daft!

That makes no more sense that the idiotic idea of Abbott's to send them all down the mines.

I actually think that it should be considered for long term unemployed. Although I would be against them being sent overseas on active deployment

Well how about we send an IGNORANT old bugger like you John Smith overseas for service in the Army

Unemployed people in this country need employment, they are stopped archiveing this by other Ignorant elitists out there stopping them from getting the employment available.

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Reply #20 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:20am

dingo2 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:01am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

Kat wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Swagman wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 8:31am:

Unemployed and < 30 and into the army..... Cheesy

Don't be daft!

That makes no more sense that the idiotic idea of Abbott's to send them all down the mines.

I actually think that it should be considered for long term unemployed. Although I would be against them being sent overseas on active deployment

Well how about we send an IGNORANT old bugger like you John Smith overseas for service in the Army

Unemployed people in this country need employment, they are stopped archiveing this by other Ignorant elitists out there stopping them from getting the employment available.

get off your high horse you moron. What is wrong with enlisting the long term unemployed? Spend years unable to find a job and you quickly start to feel worthless and unwanted, enlistment can give you a sense of accomplishing something and of belonging.

Whilst I'm not a believer of the dole bludger stereotype, there are many long term unemployed who ARE out there by choice. Don't try to tell me it's bull$hit because I actually know a few of them. One guy I know has 5 kids and quit his job years ago because he can get more money on the dole. I've worked with department of housing tenants for 15 yrs and saw many 2nd and 3rd generation unemployed with a sense of entitlement. They saw no reason to even look for a job because they felt the govt. owed them.

Sure, there is no blanket solution that will fix everything, but shoving your head in the sand and pretending you are a victim isn't going to fix anything.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Mr Abbott Will The under 30s Be Cut Off The Dole. Reply #21 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:29am What a ridiculous idea, to force people into the army. One that certainly should not be allowed. No one should be forced into the armed services.
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Reply #22 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 9:10am

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:20am:

What is wrong with enlisting the long term unemployed? Spend years unable to find a job and you quickly start to feel worthless and unwanted, enlistment can give you a sense of accomplishing something and of belonging.

They can also get killed. Nobody should be forced to take a job where there is a good chance they will be killed - especially if they disagree with it.

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Reply #23 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 9:19am

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What a ridiculous idea, to force people into the army. One that certainly should not be allowed. No one should be forced into the armed services. Sad

Don't panic crook, no-one is going to make you join up. Grin

I can assure you the ADF does not want a bunch of useless retards, cluster smacking the system.

The best place for the useless is on the dole not in the ADF; it is not the dumping ground for d1ckheads.

I like many who have actually served are against compulsory service, but for very different reasons than yourself.

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Reply #24 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 9:21am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:20am:

What is wrong with enlisting the long term unemployed? Spend years unable to find a job and you quickly start to feel worthless and unwanted, enlistment can give you a sense of accomplishing something and of belonging.

They can also get killed. Nobody should be forced to take a job where there is a good chance they will be killed - especially if they disagree with it.

SOB

Spoken from your vast military experience spot?

And you wonder why we called you out on your bullsh1t claim of service.

All your military knowledge comes from comics and movies, no doubt about it.

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Re: Mr Abbott Will The under 30s Be Cut Off The Dole.
Reply #25 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 9:21am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

They can also get killed. Nobody should be forced to take a job where there is a good chance they will be killed - especially if they disagree with it.

If you'd bothered to read before mouthing off , you would see that I've said

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

Although I would be against them being sent overseas on active deployment

there are thousands of jobs within the military that don't involve stepping on roadside bombs

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Mr Abbott Will The under 30s Be Cut Off The Dole. Reply #26 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 9:23am Dont worry BigO164, for a start I am to old to join anyway.
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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: Mr Abbott Will The under 30s Be Cut Off The Dole. Reply #27 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 9:25am Quote: Dont worry BigO164, for a start I am to old to join anyway. Even if you weren't too old, I doubt you would get in.
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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Mr Abbott Will The under 30s Be Cut Off The Dole. Reply #28 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 9:29am Good, I wouldnt want to.
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Re: Mr Abbott Will The under 30s Be Cut Off The Dole.
Reply #29 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 9:40am

Grey wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

People should be given alternative life style choices to being a wage slave in the capitalist system.

Is that crazy talk? Of course not. Many dream of a rural, self sufficirnt life style. Yet the land of the Ord river has been given to the Chinese rather than allocation to Australians who'd jump at the opportunity to be part of something different. Land is one thing Australia has plenty of, but all governments do is steal back public open space to give to developers.

Prison farms are Kibbutz, but by their nature they cost a fortune per head to run. It would cost very little to set up such communities where people could live voluntarily.

Water - many would shout. But much of Australia is turning to desert because there's too much waterm rising in the ground and bringing salt. Taking salt out of water isn't rocket science. Israel runs an agricultural economy using salt water. Solar energy is free energy. There's limitless possibilities once you step out of the box.

I run training courses on water including salinity. Your understanding of the problem is pitiful and hopelessly naive.

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