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Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:11am
 
LABOR: Labor won’t want to talk about climate change during the election (except where it is under threat from the Greens) and is very unlikely to make any new commitments, a bit like their 2010 election campaign.

What will Labor do on climate in opposition? If the actions of the State Labor oppositions are any indication, very little. The big parties on both sides of politics at State level are united in not making global warming action any sort of priority. Both sides have used the 2011 federal legislation as an excuse to abandon State efforts in the name of removing “duplication of roles in relation to climate change mitigation and the implementation of the carbon tax”. If Team Abbott abolishes the carbon price, will the States move back into the field? Very doubtful.

It’s a good bet that the conclusion that Labor will draw from the current period is to not champion climate action from now on. There will be a push to go quietly on some of Abbott’s proposed roll-backs. Have a look at the efforts on climate of Daniel Andrews in Victoria and John Robertson in NSW as state opposition leaders!

Inside the Labor Party there is a strong, if fallacious, view and especially in the right faction that climate policy has been at the centre of the Gillard government’s problems. Australian Workers Union boss and right-winger Paul Howes, a proud architect of Rudd’s execution and Team Gillard cheer-leader, says he is a “dig it up, cut it down type of guy” and is the coal and gas industry’s best friend. For him, The Greens are Labor’s biggest enemy.

In reality, Labor’s climate problems are of their own making. As discussed last year, Labor’s strategic errors included:

    Kevin Rudd’s strategic decision to isolate the Greens and deal with the opposition on the CPRS in 2008-09 kicked back in his face with the defeat of Malcolm Turnbull as opposition leader, unleashing the deny-and-delay Tony Abbott.
    A failure to act decisively. The sense of urgency was lost in 2008, according to public opinion researcher Hugh Mackay, who says that the fall in public support was evident by mid-2008, when the sense of expectation accompanying the change of government was deflated by inaction in the first six months of Rudd’s term, creating “a very critical vacuum” in which “people kind of shrugged and said well, it is not that serious after all … It was seen as much more about a talking game than an acting game … When we were not called upon to act, the opportunity was lost.”
    Getting Copenhagen wrong. Despite the gathering evidence throughout 2009, Rudd and climate minister Penny Wong bound their strategy to a good outcome at the Copenhagen climate meeting, and when it all went belly-up they were left high and dry.
    More procrastination: Senior government figures thought they had a deal with Rudd to go to a double dissolution in early 2010 on the CPRS, before the worst of the Copenhagen fallout rained down. But Rudd prevaricated and lost his nerve; then Gillard and Swan pushed him into a backflip on carbon pricing, and by June 2010 he was gone.
    Two backflips in five months. Gillard went to the August 2010 election with a climate policy fit only for comedians, promising no carbon tax but “cash for clunkers” and a 100-person national consultation. Weeks later, and needing The Greens’ and independent support to save her face and her government, she backflipped and set the Multi-Party Climate Change Committee in process. Given the nature of the coup against Rudd and the election result, Gillard’s credibility was half-shot before she started and her subsequent handling of the climate issue – evasive, dispassionate, disinterested, poorly communicated – did more damage to Labor’s credibility. And it probably also did damage to the case it was prosecuting: climate action.
    A critical failure to sell the carbon tax by taking “climate” out of climate-change policy public messaging. The “Clean energy future” campaign in 2011 was classic bright-siding. All clean energy and barely a mention of climate change or impacts.  And so was the “Say Yes” campaign run by  a number of Australian environment/climate non-government organisations (eNGOs), together with the ACTU and GetUp, in 2011.
    Since the legislation passed, the government has rarely talked about climate change.

It will take years for the Labor hierarchy to untangle themselves from their present pain and poor electoral standing. Just how vigorously will Labor defend the carbon pricing, the CEFC and the RET? Will Labor campaign for new initiatives and a much higher level of ambition, as the scientific understanding of future clime impacts dictates we must?

Perhaps that depends on whether there is a productive reflection and some caucus members – particularly on the Labor left who are better on climate but zipped their mouths in the cause of unity – lead a useful debate inside the Labor party on its climate record of high aspirations, multiple back-flips and a complete failure of courage to explain and defend their own legislation. The worse outcome would be for all this to be swept under the carpet and denied.

As well, Labor cannot take climate off the agenda if it wants to hold onto marginal, inner-city Green–Labor seats. Adams Bandt’s 2010 victory most potent political message – “I will not backflip on climate” – was in pointed contrast to the actions of Labor leaders Rudd and Gillard. No matter how climate tracks as a political issue a
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Reply #1 - Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:12am
 
it will always play a key role in the marginal Green–Labor seats, and that is a mechanism for keeping Labor from burying the issue.

GREENS: Before becoming prime minister, Julia Gillard had shown little personal interest in environmental or climate issues; her biggest effort was to knuckle Rudd into abandoning the CPRS, and then knocking him off. Adam Bandt’s 2010 victory in the seat of Melbourne and The Greens’ decision to make climate the sticking point in negotiating support for Labor (with support from independents Oakshott and Windsor) is the only reasons the Gillard government acted on climate. If Labor had won in its own right, climate action would have amounted to cash-for-clunkers and a 100-person talk-fest. There would have been no carbon price, no CEFC, no ARENA and no Climate Authority.

The Greens clearly get the scale and urgency of the  problem, but have been caught between the need to keep the Labor government running full term and the frustration that the level of ambition in the climate package was far short of their aspirations and what is necessary. And they have been reticent in pushing stronger positions if there is no public support from other players.

The big question for The Greens will come after the election. At least some of their political representatives understand that climate is the issue that transcends all others in this sense: if global warming is not stopped by a speed and depth of action far beyond anything that is on the public agenda, the consequences in the next half century will be so devastating as to make many of their values – human rights, justice, fairness – irrelevant.

On the current greenhouse emissions trajectory driven by repeated political failure, global warming will reach 4 degrees Celsius this century and as early as 2060. Such an outcome may well reduce the human population to less than one billion peoplethrough decades of climate ecocide. In these circumstances the paths to global justice, civil right and human dignity are best, and can only be, served by making transformative climate action the core of political activity.

Of course the same proposition applies to all parliamentarians and especially those Labor members who aspire to leadership on global warming issues. A starting point is to understand what has to be done and speed of action is necessary to avoid passing critical tipping points which are near at hand.

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/critical-decade-or-lost-decade-2-inside-the-beltway-451...
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GREENS: Before becoming prime minister, Julia Gillard had shown little personal interest in environmental or climate issues; her biggest effort was to knuckle Rudd into abandoning the CPRS


Yes, gillard took power for pure greed and power and the greens forced their 10%er on all Australians.

labor and greens are as extreme as each other
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Reply #3 - Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:22am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:16am:
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GREENS: Before becoming prime minister, Julia Gillard had shown little personal interest in environmental or climate issues; her biggest effort was to knuckle Rudd into abandoning the CPRS


Yes, gillard took power for pure greed and power and the greens forced their 10%er on all Australians.

labor and greens are as extreme as each other



Abbott : "I will do anything except sell my @rse" according to Windsor

Billions for hospitals to buy Wilkie

Those that live in glasshouses.

Thing is with Labor, what happens if Labor does recover a bit and another hung parliament is the result at the next election. Can we expect Labor to follow the Greens on climate action, or follow the Conservatives on climate inaction.
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Reply #4 - Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:25am
 
____ wrote on Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:22am:
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:16am:
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GREENS: Before becoming prime minister, Julia Gillard had shown little personal interest in environmental or climate issues; her biggest effort was to knuckle Rudd into abandoning the CPRS


Yes, gillard took power for pure greed and power and the greens forced their 10%er on all Australians.

labor and greens are as extreme as each other



Abbott : "I will do anything except sell my @rse" according to Windsor

Billions for hospitals to buy Wilkie

Those that live in glasshouses.

Thing is with Labor, what happens if Labor does recover a bit and another hung parliament is the result at the next election. Can we expect Labor to follow the Greens on climate action, or follow the Conservatives on climate inaction.

Yeh, according to Windsor. Sure believe him if you are an idiot.

And lastly, Abbott didnt sell out the people, even if implied, so that is yours, labors and the greens issue. You cant change that fact, no matter how hard you try.
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Reply #5 - Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:34am
 
OK, lets take your angle and pretend Abbott is squeaky clean, even though the conservative independent politicians didn't trust him in 2010.

Once Abbott comes forward with policies and people go off him ... Labor gains some lost ground, a hung parliament comes back into the mix.

What then for labor on the issue they don't want to discuss ~ Climate Change. Do they hand government to Abbott via climate inaction, or do they follow the Greens, and fight for minority government.
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Reply #6 - Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:39am
 
____ wrote on Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:34am:
OK, lets take your angle and pretend Abbott is squeaky clean, even though the conservative independent politicians didn't trust him in 2010.

Once Abbott comes forward with policies and people go off him ... Labor gains some lost ground, a hung parliament comes back into the mix.

What then for labor on the issue they don't want to discuss ~ Climate Change. Do they hand government to Abbott via climate inaction, or do they follow the Greens, and fight for minority government.

Cant answer that until we hear from the party to what they are taking to the election.
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Reply #7 - Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:46am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:39am:
____ wrote on Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:34am:
OK, lets take your angle and pretend Abbott is squeaky clean, even though the conservative independent politicians didn't trust him in 2010.

Once Abbott comes forward with policies and people go off him ... Labor gains some lost ground, a hung parliament comes back into the mix.

What then for labor on the issue they don't want to discuss ~ Climate Change. Do they hand government to Abbott via climate inaction, or do they follow the Greens, and fight for minority government.

Cant answer that until we hear from the party to what they are taking to the election.



We know the Conservatives are taking the socialistic approach. Drain cash from other areas and pump it into companies, on the off change these companies may reduce pollution.

The Conservative politicians could even do some insider trading. Buy shares in companies they plan to give cash handouts to.
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Reply #8 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 2:22pm
 
Something to ponder on this conversation. I have put together a website that tracks a basket of groceries that Wayne Swan purchased to see if the carbon tax is effecting the price of groceries.

Have a look for yourselves but at this stage the basket hasn't really changed at all!

swannysbasket (dot) com (dot) au
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Reply #9 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 2:33pm
 
......and so the inflationary effect of the carbon tax on prices has been masked by the deflationary effect of declining economic confidence and activity....

Cut ya nose off to spite ya face.... Cheesy
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Reply #10 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 4:33pm
 

As can be seen on all economic indicators, the carbon tax has had almost zero impact on the economy.

I think labor will work the climate change angle in the election.   75% of Australians want action on climate change, and dare I say it, the liberals climate change policy is even more idiotic than their lampooned NBN one.

Labor will talk about climate change on three platforms.
1)  The non-impact of the carbon tax
2)  The renewable investments its funding
3) The move to a carbon price next term as planned (to the simpletons that will be seen as removing the carbon tax)

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Reply #11 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 4:35pm
 
Yuppy bullsh1t...
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