Australian Politics Forum - DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work?

Phallic Baldwin Senior Member Offline Phallic Baldwin Posts: 370 Gender:	DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work? Apr 9^th, 2013 at 7:25pm State your case why/why not. Why do you think they work? What do you think would help make them work? Poll to come
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Phallic Baldwin Senior Member Offline Phallic Baldwin Posts: 370 Gender:	Re: DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work? Reply #1 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 7:32pm Poll
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59129 Here Gender:	Re: DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work? Reply #2 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 7:42pm do socialist governments work? In terms of policy spending welfair high spending big government etc the most socialist Australian government in the last 50 years would have been the Howard government. The answer is definatly no - they were terrible.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work? Reply #3 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 7:44pm Whaddaya mean by "work?"
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139199 Gender:	Re: DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work? Reply #4 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:00pm ... wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Whaddaya mean by "work?" This is a valid question. No answer yet. Please define "work".
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Mnemonic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1530 Melbourne Gender:	Re: DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work? Reply #5 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:20pm Dnarever wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 7:42pm: In terms of policy spending welfair high spending big government etc the most socialist Australian government in the last 50 years would have been the Howard government. That's funny coming from a Liberal Government.
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Reply #6 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:25pm

No socialism is un-natural.

If you look at the natural world competition, innovation, diversity and survival of the fittest is the law of the jungle.

Socialism attempts to control these things and once you start messing with any one of them things stuff up.

In the wild socialists become extinct because they fail to innovate and adapt.

Socialist Governments try to redistribute wealth away from the innovators and give it to the unachievers. This due to lack of reward or incentive for effort will eventually retard innovation to the extent where nobody gives a schitt and you get colonised or wiped out. Sad

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Reply #7 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:32pm

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 7:42pm:

In terms of policy spending welfair high spending big government etc the most socialist Australian government in the last 50 years would have been the Howard government.

That's funny coming from a Liberal Government.

Rubbish. The Howard Govt provided the biggest personal income tax cuts in Australian history whilst paying off a $90 odd billion debt residual from Keating.

A boom economy with record company profitability and low unemployemt will naturally collect more tax revenues than a basket case Govt like we have now.

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Reply #8 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:48pm

It's a big world & there is a place in it, for many, MANY things!

The world is also, usually in balance & if its systems lean too far, one way or another, then the system usually counteracts that lean, by pushing it back into it's rightful place.

YES, THERE IS A PLACE FOR SOCIALIST GOVERNMENTS, but it must be seen IN THE GREATER CONTEXT, OF MAINTAINING A SYSTEMIC BALANCE, because without the right balance the whole system may crash!

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work? Reply #9 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:50pm Pearls before swine, Perce....
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work? Reply #10 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:57pm Socialism needs everyone to be the same to exist. Everyone is different. We are all individuals. Therefore socialism is impossible. And that is why socialist governments don't work.
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work? Reply #11 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 10:02pm Are we talking about planning committee style socialism? Or the socialism we have here were the private sector completely funds public?
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namnugenot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 639 NSW Gender:	Re: DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work? Reply #12 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 10:20pm "Socialist governments always run out of other people's money"
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139199 Gender:	Re: DISCUSSION - do socialist governments work? Reply #13 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 10:23pm namnugenot wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 10:20pm: "Socialist governments always run out of other people's money" Do they? If so, are you saying that in order to "work" a government needs money?
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Reply #14 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 10:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 10:23pm:

namnugenot wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

"Socialist governments always run out of other people's money"

Do they?

If so, are you saying that in order to "work" a government needs money?

No he's saying "Socialist governments always run out of other people's money" Sad

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Question: do they work?
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Yes 3 (37.5%) No 5 (62.5%) Total votes: 8 « Created by: Phallic Baldwin on: Apr 9^th, 2013 at 7:32pm »