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Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility
Reply #120 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:02pm

john_g wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

john_g wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:46pm:

It is scheduled to transition to a market mechanism in 2015 - well after the next election.

At the moment it is a tax, and Labor promised to not introduce it.

A swing voter can see it from both sides.

Why the hell would anyone give their undying support to either side?

I take each election on its merits, and neither party will ever get my vote without deserving it.

Aha, sure. Tony deserves your vote? Grin

It is a tax only by name. That's all there is to it.

DO you or DO YOU NOT agree with the stats in the OP?

As I have said, I am most likely going to be votimg informally.

That is not all there is to it, it effectively is a tax now, scheduled to transition in 2015.

I already answered that - by and large, I completely agree that Abbott has lied about the effects, but it's too hypocritical coming from someone from Labor.

Abbott and Gillard both take the electorate for mugs, IMO. I see Abbott as the lesser of two evils.

Did you attend the pro carbon rally?

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Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility
Reply #121 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:03pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

john_g wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

john_g wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:46pm:

It is scheduled to transition to a market mechanism in 2015 - well after the next election.

At the moment it is a tax, and Labor promised to not introduce it.

A swing voter can see it from both sides.

Why the hell would anyone give their undying support to either side?

I take each election on its merits, and neither party will ever get my vote without deserving it.

Aha, sure. Tony deserves your vote? Grin

It is a tax only by name. That's all there is to it.

DO you or DO YOU NOT agree with the stats in the OP?

As I have said, I am most likely going to be votimg informally.

That is not all there is to it, it effectively is a tax now, scheduled to transition in 2015.

I already answered that - by and large, I completely agree that Abbott has lied about the effects, but it's too hypocritical coming from someone from Labor.

Abbott and Gillard both take the electorate for mugs, IMO. I see Abbott as the lesser of two evils.

Did you attend the pro carbon rally?

What?

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Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility
Reply #122 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:04pm

Makka wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

So MOTR label Tony's "COMMENTS" as wrecking ball

But fails to label the carbon tax as a wrecking ball?

You mean Tony is THAT powerful that his comment is a wrecking ball to the economy

But yet MOTR cannot bring himself/herself to label Labor's disastrous 6 years in government as a wrecking ball?

Over to you MOTR

That's the point, Maqqa. The carbon tax hasnt been a wrecking ball, despite Abbott talking down the economy at every opportunity. Now how about you address the facts presented in the article.

Since the GFC our economy has grown by 20%. That's about double the growth experienced by the US, Candada, the UK, New Zealand the European Union and most other countries we are normally compared with. Far from disastrous wouldn't you say.

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Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility
Reply #123 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:06pm

MOTR wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Makka wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

So MOTR label Tony's "COMMENTS" as wrecking ball

But fails to label the carbon tax as a wrecking ball?

You mean Tony is THAT powerful that his comment is a wrecking ball to the economy

But yet MOTR cannot bring himself/herself to label Labor's disastrous 6 years in government as a wrecking ball?

Over to you MOTR

That's the point, Maqqa. The carbon tax hasnt been a wrecking ball, despite Abbott talking down the economy at every opportunity. Now how about you address the facts presented in the article.

Since the GFC our economy has grown by 20%. That's about double the growth experienced by the US, Candada, the UK, New Zealand the European Union and most other countries we are normally compared with. Far from disastrous wouldn't you say.

The dummy completely missed the stats that show the results of the carbon tax on the economy. Don't bother with him.

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Reply #124 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:58pm

john_g wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

john_g wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:46pm:

It is scheduled to transition to a market mechanism in 2015 - well after the next election.

At the moment it is a tax, and Labor promised to not introduce it.

A swing voter can see it from both sides.

Why the hell would anyone give their undying support to either side?

I take each election on its merits, and neither party will ever get my vote without deserving it.

Oh FFS its closer to a fine than a tax.

Anyway stop trying to divert, prove the economy is tanking due to it by refuting the facts set out in the OP or admit you really just don't like Gillard, couldn't give a toss about the country & want Abbott as PM.

A little bit of honesty would go a long way Angry

I already said I agreed with the OP.

So if I understand correctly,

You acknowledge the economy has been managed very well for the term of both Labor governments(Rudd/Gillard)

You also acknowledge that despite being assured by Tony Abbott that we would be facing massive unemployment & business closures leading to a massive recession.
Business would flee overseas & our resource sector would be worthless, that the posted article staying that the economy has done the exact opposite & provide figures are all true.

But your still upset that Gillard apparently has added to your yearly taxation bill.
She Lied & your pissed.

Do you think Tony lied to you regarding the outcome of the Carbon tax?
Are you just as outraged?

Your never voting Labor because they apparently lied

Are you ever voting Coalition again?

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Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility
Reply #125 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 6:17pm

MOTR wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Makka wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

So MOTR label Tony's "COMMENTS" as wrecking ball

But fails to label the carbon tax as a wrecking ball?

You mean Tony is THAT powerful that his comment is a wrecking ball to the economy

But yet MOTR cannot bring himself/herself to label Labor's disastrous 6 years in government as a wrecking ball?

Over to you MOTR

That's the point, Maqqa. The carbon tax hasnt been a wrecking ball, despite Abbott talking down the economy at every opportunity. Now how about you address the facts presented in the article.

Since the GFC our economy has grown by 20%. That's about double the growth experienced by the US, Candada, the UK, New Zealand the European Union and most other countries we are normally compared with. Far from disastrous wouldn't you say.

Pricing greenhouse gases has created new jobs and industries as well as giving a boost to the profits of farmers and businesses who can claim carbon credits paid for by pricing greenhouse gases.
Its proof that we can do very well without treating our atmosphere as an open sewer and selling off the future of generations to come to the heavy polluters.

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Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility
Reply #126 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:18pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

john_g wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

john_g wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:46pm:

It is scheduled to transition to a market mechanism in 2015 - well after the next election.

At the moment it is a tax, and Labor promised to not introduce it.

A swing voter can see it from both sides.

Why the hell would anyone give their undying support to either side?

I take each election on its merits, and neither party will ever get my vote without deserving it.

Oh FFS its closer to a fine than a tax.

Anyway stop trying to divert, prove the economy is tanking due to it by refuting the facts set out in the OP or admit you really just don't like Gillard, couldn't give a toss about the country & want Abbott as PM.

A little bit of honesty would go a long way Angry

I already said I agreed with the OP.

So if I understand correctly,

You acknowledge the economy has been managed very well for the term of both Labor governments(Rudd/Gillard)

You also acknowledge that despite being assured by Tony Abbott that we would be facing massive unemployment & business closures leading to a massive recession.
Business would flee overseas & our resource sector would be worthless, that the posted article staying that the economy has done the exact opposite & provide figures are all true.

But your still upset that Gillard apparently has added to your yearly taxation bill.
She Lied & your pissed.

Do you think Tony lied to you regarding the outcome of the Carbon tax?
Are you just as outraged?

Your never voting Labor because they apparently lied

Are you ever voting Coalition again?

I meant I agreed aboutAbbott lying about the damage.

I don't rate Gillard and swan at all for their handling of the economy, you have to remember that we have had a mining boom recently, I am not giving them credit for something that they haven't achieved.

Labor has delivered the four biggest deficits in the last 4 years, and is borrowing every day.

NDIS? Great idea, but how are they going to pay for it?

I never said I would never vote Labor again. I said that it would be unlikely and would only consider doing so when all of this lot are long gone.

I will reserve judgment on the Coalition when they actually are in power, and assess the job they do.

As it stands, I can't see myself voting for an Abbott government. I would definitely be voting Liberal if Turnbull or Bishop were leading.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility Reply #127 - Apr 13^th, 2013 at 5:10am So the GFC didn't happen and there was no reason for these deficits, john_g
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Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility
Reply #129 - Apr 13^th, 2013 at 8:45am

MOTR wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Makka wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

So MOTR label Tony's "COMMENTS" as wrecking ball

But fails to label the carbon tax as a wrecking ball?

You mean Tony is THAT powerful that his comment is a wrecking ball to the economy

But yet MOTR cannot bring himself/herself to label Labor's disastrous 6 years in government as a wrecking ball?

Over to you MOTR

That's the point, Maqqa. The carbon tax hasnt been a wrecking ball, despite Abbott talking down the economy at every opportunity. Now how about you address the facts presented in the article.

Since the GFC our economy has grown by 20%. That's about double the growth experienced by the US, Candada, the UK, New Zealand the European Union and most other countries we are normally compared with. Far from disastrous wouldn't you say.

Prices = Costs + Profits + Carbon Tax

Due to the carbon tax - Australians did not benefited from lower prices due to the downturn in the business cycle

And who used the term "wrecking ball"

Abbott?

GDP grew by 20% for the 6 years
(1) Australia grew by 100% during the Howard years
(2) There's a difference between countries impacted directly from the GFC and Australia who was not impacted directly
(3) If you compare Australia with the US - it's like comparing someone with an itch (Aust) with someone who has leprosy (US) saying it's the same thing

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Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility
Reply #130 - Apr 13^th, 2013 at 8:54am

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Tony Abbott's backflips in carbon tax claim

Under fire over claims he has over-egged the impact of the carbon tax, Mr Abbott yesterday conceded the world had not ended on July 1.

"Yes, the initial impact of the carbon tax may not be absolutely catastrophic," he told the Tasmanian Liberal Party State Conference.

Mr Abbott has previously suggested the carbon tax would act "as a wrecking ball across the economy", that it would "wipe out jobs big-time" and referred to suggestions Whyalla may be "wiped off the map".

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/tony-abbotts-backflips-in-carbon-tax-c...

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility Reply #131 - Apr 13^th, 2013 at 11:41am Well so far we have had longie have a go and completely miss the brief. Anyone else want to explain how the carbon tax has wrecked the economy, as per Tony's predictions?
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Reply #132 - Apr 13^th, 2013 at 11:45am

Makka wrote on Apr 13^th, 2013 at 8:45am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Makka wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

So MOTR label Tony's "COMMENTS" as wrecking ball

But fails to label the carbon tax as a wrecking ball?

You mean Tony is THAT powerful that his comment is a wrecking ball to the economy

But yet MOTR cannot bring himself/herself to label Labor's disastrous 6 years in government as a wrecking ball?

Over to you MOTR

That's the point, Maqqa. The carbon tax hasnt been a wrecking ball, despite Abbott talking down the economy at every opportunity. Now how about you address the facts presented in the article.

Since the GFC our economy has grown by 20%. That's about double the growth experienced by the US, Candada, the UK, New Zealand the European Union and most other countries we are normally compared with. Far from disastrous wouldn't you say.

Prices = Costs + Profits + Carbon Tax

Due to the carbon tax - Australians did not benefited from lower prices due to the downturn in the business cycle

And who used the term "wrecking ball"

Abbott?

GDP grew by 20% for the 6 years
(1) Australia grew by 100% during the Howard years
(2) There's a difference between countries impacted directly from the GFC and Australia who was not impacted directly
(3) If you compare Australia with the US - it's like comparing someone with an itch (Aust) with someone who has leprosy (US) saying it's the same thing

but if the person with the itch depends on the person with the leprosy to sell their products, and they cannot because he person has become diseased and can no longer function .... the leprosy has then affected both parties either directly or indirectly. Pull your head out .

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Reply #133 - Apr 13^th, 2013 at 11:50am

John Smith wrote on Apr 13^th, 2013 at 11:45am:

Makka wrote on Apr 13^th, 2013 at 8:45am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Makka wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

So MOTR label Tony's "COMMENTS" as wrecking ball

But fails to label the carbon tax as a wrecking ball?

You mean Tony is THAT powerful that his comment is a wrecking ball to the economy

But yet MOTR cannot bring himself/herself to label Labor's disastrous 6 years in government as a wrecking ball?

Over to you MOTR

That's the point, Maqqa. The carbon tax hasnt been a wrecking ball, despite Abbott talking down the economy at every opportunity. Now how about you address the facts presented in the article.

Since the GFC our economy has grown by 20%. That's about double the growth experienced by the US, Candada, the UK, New Zealand the European Union and most other countries we are normally compared with. Far from disastrous wouldn't you say.

Prices = Costs + Profits + Carbon Tax

Due to the carbon tax - Australians did not benefited from lower prices due to the downturn in the business cycle

And who used the term "wrecking ball"

Abbott?

GDP grew by 20% for the 6 years
(1) Australia grew by 100% during the Howard years
(2) There's a difference between countries impacted directly from the GFC and Australia who was not impacted directly
(3) If you compare Australia with the US - it's like comparing someone with an itch (Aust) with someone who has leprosy (US) saying it's the same thing

but if the person with the itch depends on the person with the leprosy to sell their products, and they cannot because he person has become diseased and can no longer function .... the leprosy has then affected both parties either directly or indirectly. Pull your head out .

Prices = Costs + Profits + Carbon Tax

John, that tells us enough about the moron to know not to bother with him.

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