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Reply #90 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:00pm

Its Really very simple Mr Weekend.

If as you say the author is bias & cannot be trusted then do this

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– Real GDP has risen by 1.2 per cent (annualised growth rate of 2.5 per cent).

This is a load of crap, & here is a link which proves the falsehood of above

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– Employment has risen by 53,400 people, made up of 30,000 new full-time jobs and 23,400 part-time jobs. The annualised rate of job creation is around 95,000.

Again false, here is a quote from XXX speaking in this article[url][/url]which proves it

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Reply #91 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:01pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:40pm:

then I await the day when my mortage is reassed as a percent of GDP. it would of course only be fair to increase my mortage right? that is the argument you are making and we cna all be very sure that if GDP had grown less than CPI then you WOUldnt use this argument.

Actually this is the kind of bigus crap that labor supporters and govt spew up as further evidence of their unsuitability to manage a modern economy. First there were the 'record mortgage interest rates (which werent)' then there was the 'structural deficit' aka 'the deficit you have when you arent having a deficit'. now we have the 'new maths' where 9=40. bbut then there is always the wonderful 'debt is good' gospel promoted by the same bozos that in 5 years increased the debt by more than anyone in history. The rest of the world is hanging off a 1000 ft cliff and you crazy buffoons think it is fine to hang off a 100ft cliff. Howard however preferred that we stay miles away from the cliff.

the 'new economics' - excuses wrapped up in lies.

Many people do increase their mortgage as time goes on, to buy more things, primarily because they see an increase in their own wages. And somehow, that increase and wage ratio ... stays the same... woooowwww.

As for the rest of your spew, what a dingbat you are. You argue that you don't like "political speak" from governments and yet where were you when your rodent love child was trying to sell us that he was responsible for "record low interest rates" and was trying to sell us the message that "only he could keep interest rates low"? Where were you when your rodent tried to convince us that debt is always bad, and we must always have surplus; that it is simply non-negotiable? And where are you when your other lovechild, the arsewipe Tony is standing around telling us the world is caving in because of the carbon tax, and yet as the statistics you are STILL AVOIDING from the OP prove otherwise? Where are you when the economics of this country are being poured down the drain by your lot? Enough of your rubbish. Time you either started to comprehend what others are saying, or stop debating. Because it's utterly dull to see you try to go over the same ponit over and over and ignore everything around you. Especiall when others have moved on.

Oh, and on a side note, by suggesting your metaphor when trying to explain the current economic conditions around the world you only prove how much of an idiot you really are. The western world is going through significant turbulence. No one is denying that around the world - not even the conservatives who you would every other day bow down to. Yet, you seem to think that the rest of the world plunging into trouble is somehow not going to impact us, and as a result we should try to continue as business as usual? Austerity perhaps? That's what we need whe nthe economy is on a downturn? Go get economics 101. Do something with your brain to gather better understanding, and then come back to us. You're just whinging and whigning and I tell you, it's nothign but an irritating headache. And, after all the whigning, you're still to address the stats being discussed within the OP. Still can't? Still trying to sell the picture of the sky falling in becuase of the carbon tax?

howard had record low interst rates in a BOOM. that was an acheivement Labors only acheivement in interest rates is to crash them down low to prevent a recession. it was the right decision but is hardly something to be praised for: a slumping economy and low interest rates are EASY. try doing it when the economy is booming that is real skill

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Reply #92 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:40pm:

then I await the day when my mortage is reassed as a percent of GDP. it would of course only be fair to increase my mortage right? that is the argument you are making and we cna all be very sure that if GDP had grown less than CPI then you WOUldnt use this argument.

Actually this is the kind of bigus crap that labor supporters and govt spew up as further evidence of their unsuitability to manage a modern economy. First there were the 'record mortgage interest rates (which werent)' then there was the 'structural deficit' aka 'the deficit you have when you arent having a deficit'. now we have the 'new maths' where 9=40. bbut then there is always the wonderful 'debt is good' gospel promoted by the same bozos that in 5 years increased the debt by more than anyone in history. The rest of the world is hanging off a 1000 ft cliff and you crazy buffoons think it is fine to hang off a 100ft cliff. Howard however preferred that we stay miles away from the cliff.

the 'new economics' - excuses wrapped up in lies.

Many people do increase their mortgage as time goes on, to buy more things, primarily because they see an increase in their own wages. And somehow, that increase and wage ratio ... stays the same... woooowwww.

As for the rest of your spew, what a dingbat you are. You argue that you don't like "political speak" from governments and yet where were you when your rodent love child was trying to sell us that he was responsible for "record low interest rates" and was trying to sell us the message that "only he could keep interest rates low"? Where were you when your rodent tried to convince us that debt is always bad, and we must always have surplus; that it is simply non-negotiable? And where are you when your other lovechild, the arsewipe Tony is standing around telling us the world is caving in because of the carbon tax, and yet as the statistics you are STILL AVOIDING from the OP prove otherwise? Where are you when the economics of this country are being poured down the drain by your lot? Enough of your rubbish. Time you either started to comprehend what others are saying, or stop debating. Because it's utterly dull to see you try to go over the same ponit over and over and ignore everything around you. Especiall when others have moved on.

Oh, and on a side note, by suggesting your metaphor when trying to explain the current economic conditions around the world you only prove how much of an idiot you really are. The western world is going through significant turbulence. No one is denying that around the world - not even the conservatives who you would every other day bow down to. Yet, you seem to think that the rest of the world plunging into trouble is somehow not going to impact us, and as a result we should try to continue as business as usual? Austerity perhaps? That's what we need whe nthe economy is on a downturn? Go get economics 101. Do something with your brain to gather better understanding, and then come back to us. You're just whinging and whigning and I tell you, it's nothign but an irritating headache. And, after all the whigning, you're still to address the stats being discussed within the OP. Still can't? Still trying to sell the picture of the sky falling in becuase of the carbon tax?

but they actually GET THE MONEY when they increase theur debt. your ludicrous example is that fraser debt went from $9B to $40B but nobody actually got the extra $31B!!!

dont give up your day job and become a banker.

the more you argue this point the more you fail to understand the ACTUAL point of the comparison made within the blog post. Where does it say the Fraser government debt went from $9B to $40B?It's saying, "IN EFFECT if translated to 1996 terms the 9B translates to $40B." It's arguing that by inheriting the economy as it was (thanks to the rodent, of course), the 7.5% of GDP in 1983 stayed as 7.5% of GDP in 1996.

Anyway, like I said, stop trying to sway the topic. You might not liek the writer of the article - whatever. But the stats are not his own in the making. They are the stats of our economic condition - CAN YOU DISPUTE THEM?

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Reply #93 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:03pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:16pm:

of course the fact the the worst post war global recession was in 82/83 is ignored just as is the fact that it followed on frmo a decade of global economic stagnation. all that context is conveniently ignored and suddenly $9B becaomes $40B. pure nonsens.

I might give that some credence if you hadn't been ignoring the biggest global collapse since the great depression for the last 6 years.

Cake & eating again

gfc didnt last 6 years nor did it start in 2007. it went for no more than a year in mosyt places and never even arrived here. If that were not the case then there would have at least been a recession. you listen to too many northern hemispshere commentators who forget the rest of the world which were largely unaffected other than by the dip in trade from the economic dunderheads up north. we are not stil lin the GFC now. Or how long are you going to use that argument?

It lasted a year? most countries still have not recovered , it wasn't a party or a conference you know? It didn't affect all of the world but it DID affect most of our trading partners. ... we went from a strong market for our goods to no market , if it was a business and it was able to incur a little debt but set itself up to recover you'd be praising the manager as very competant ... the only reason you b1tch is because it's labor ........

ive managed businesses for decades. I have borrow money in slumps too so I know what it means. the difference is I only borrowed what i needed and demanded a proper return fot he money AND I had pans to pay it off. Sound familiar? no it doesnt. labor never repays its debts or even seeks value for money. it only wants to SPEND.

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Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility
Reply #94 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:40pm:

then I await the day when my mortage is reassed as a percent of GDP. it would of course only be fair to increase my mortage right? that is the argument you are making and we cna all be very sure that if GDP had grown less than CPI then you WOUldnt use this argument.

Actually this is the kind of bigus crap that labor supporters and govt spew up as further evidence of their unsuitability to manage a modern economy. First there were the 'record mortgage interest rates (which werent)' then there was the 'structural deficit' aka 'the deficit you have when you arent having a deficit'. now we have the 'new maths' where 9=40. bbut then there is always the wonderful 'debt is good' gospel promoted by the same bozos that in 5 years increased the debt by more than anyone in history. The rest of the world is hanging off a 1000 ft cliff and you crazy buffoons think it is fine to hang off a 100ft cliff. Howard however preferred that we stay miles away from the cliff.

the 'new economics' - excuses wrapped up in lies.

Many people do increase their mortgage as time goes on, to buy more things, primarily because they see an increase in their own wages. And somehow, that increase and wage ratio ... stays the same... woooowwww.

As for the rest of your spew, what a dingbat you are. You argue that you don't like "political speak" from governments and yet where were you when your rodent love child was trying to sell us that he was responsible for "record low interest rates" and was trying to sell us the message that "only he could keep interest rates low"? Where were you when your rodent tried to convince us that debt is always bad, and we must always have surplus; that it is simply non-negotiable? And where are you when your other lovechild, the arsewipe Tony is standing around telling us the world is caving in because of the carbon tax, and yet as the statistics you are STILL AVOIDING from the OP prove otherwise? Where are you when the economics of this country are being poured down the drain by your lot? Enough of your rubbish. Time you either started to comprehend what others are saying, or stop debating. Because it's utterly dull to see you try to go over the same ponit over and over and ignore everything around you. Especiall when others have moved on.

Oh, and on a side note, by suggesting your metaphor when trying to explain the current economic conditions around the world you only prove how much of an idiot you really are. The western world is going through significant turbulence. No one is denying that around the world - not even the conservatives who you would every other day bow down to. Yet, you seem to think that the rest of the world plunging into trouble is somehow not going to impact us, and as a result we should try to continue as business as usual? Austerity perhaps? That's what we need whe nthe economy is on a downturn? Go get economics 101. Do something with your brain to gather better understanding, and then come back to us. You're just whinging and whigning and I tell you, it's nothign but an irritating headache. And, after all the whigning, you're still to address the stats being discussed within the OP. Still can't? Still trying to sell the picture of the sky falling in becuase of the carbon tax?

howard had record low interst rates in a BOOM. that was an acheivement Labors only acheivement in interest rates is to crash them down low to prevent a recession. it was the right decision but is hardly something to be praised for: a slumping economy and low interest rates are EASY. try doing it when the economy is booming that is real skill

So now it's a slumping economy accoridng to you? I thought it was all fine just a few moments before, and we have unnecessary debt and must implement massive austerity measures. WHICH IS IT? FFS!

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Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility
Reply #95 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:08pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Its Really very simple Mr Weekend.

If as you say the author is bias & cannot be trusted then do this

Quote:

– Real GDP has risen by 1.2 per cent (annualised growth rate of 2.5 per cent).

This is a load of crap, & here is a link which proves the falsehood of above

Quote:

– Employment has risen by 53,400 people, made up of 30,000 new full-time jobs and 23,400 part-time jobs. The annualised rate of job creation is around 95,000.

Again false, here is a quote from XXX speaking in this article[url][/url]which proves it

ETC ETC

it is the rewriting of history I am objecting to. Fraser left $9B debt. that is indisputable and not even soemthing to argue... well you'd think anyhow. Somehow, in the mind of the buffoon that semes to so often be a pro-labor writer, $9B becomes $40B. if you want to use the CPI adjusted figure then it was $19B out of the $96B.

it is just this remarkable and frankly dangerous rewriting of history that shoudl be of some concern to everyone. just like keating had the highest mortage rates (not Howard). keating left $96B of debt. But apparently, there is a new desire to change all those facts to somehow make the ALP look better.

To be non-partisan then I would now quote an example of a liberal rewriting labor past history. Only problem is I cant find one. If there is one I would condemn it just as much. We only have history once but apparently it is no longer considered static. history is free to be rewritten.

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Reply #96 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Its Really very simple Mr Weekend.

If as you say the author is bias & cannot be trusted then do this

Quote:

– Real GDP has risen by 1.2 per cent (annualised growth rate of 2.5 per cent).

This is a load of crap, & here is a link which proves the falsehood of above

Quote:

– Employment has risen by 53,400 people, made up of 30,000 new full-time jobs and 23,400 part-time jobs. The annualised rate of job creation is around 95,000.

Again false, here is a quote from XXX speaking in this article[url][/url]which proves it

ETC ETC

it is the rewriting of history I am objecting to. Fraser left $9B debt. that is indisputable and not even soemthing to argue... well you'd think anyhow. Somehow, in the mind of the buffoon that semes to so often be a pro-labor writer, $9B becomes $40B. if you want to use the CPI adjusted figure then it was $19B out of the $96B.

it is just this remarkable and frankly dangerous rewriting of history that shoudl be of some concern to everyone. just like keating had the highest mortage rates (not Howard). keating left $96B of debt. But apparently, there is a new desire to change all those facts to somehow make the ALP look better.

To be non-partisan then I would now quote an example of a liberal rewriting labor past history. Only problem is I cant find one. If there is one I would condemn it just as much. We only have history once but apparently it is no longer considered static. history is free to be rewritten.

Yes, yes, very nice, and as explained before, you're missing the point.
BUt let's leave it at that. You're too stubborn to try and actually READ what others are saying. INstead, how about you move away from the man who wrote the article, AND MOVE TOWARDS THE STATS BEING PRESENTED. Do you a) agree with them or b) disagree with them, and if so, what valid reason do you have?

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Reply #97 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:21pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

it is the rewriting of history I am objecting to. Fraser left $9B debt. that is indisputable and not even soemthing to argue... well you'd think anyhow. Somehow, in the mind of the buffoon that semes to so often be a pro-labor writer, $9B becomes $40B. if you want to use the CPI adjusted figure then it was $19B out of the $96B.

Fair enough, at least you now seem to understand it is a comparison rather than fact, which I was starting to think reading through previous posts.
We need to see how he gets 40 yet you only get 19, his either adding something or your leaving something out.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

it is just this remarkable and frankly dangerous rewriting of history that shoudl be of some concern to everyone. just like keating had the highest mortage rates (not Howard). keating left $96B of debt. But apparently, there is a new desire to change all those facts to somehow make the ALP look better.

Well I'll adress the re-writing in the next point, but to be clear
Keating has that record because he totally remodelled the Australian economy FOR THE BETTER.
You cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs & interest rates just happened to be those eggs.
BTW in 96 when Howard took over those rates were back down to 12/13 % & only fell the same amount again in Howard's 11 years.

Oh and of course you leave out the fact that during Treasurer Howards rein mortgage interest rates were capped at 12 something % a milestone he did achieve.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

To be non-partisan then I would now quote an example of a liberal rewriting labor past history. Only problem is I cant find one. If there is one I would condemn it just as much. We only have history once but apparently it is no longer considered static. history is free to be rewritten.

Let me help

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REWRITING HISTORY

John Howard gave a speech this week about his decision to go to war in Iraq. Refusing any of the criticism of the decision, he said the belief in weapons of mass destruction was the government's main justification for war.
It may seem like a distant, irrelevant historical detail now, but it cannot be left unchallenged.
The failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after the allied invasion was ''unexpected," according to Howard. The belief that Saddam Hussein possessed WMD's was ''near universal'' at the time. In speeches at the time he cited "recent production of chemical and biological weapons," and said that all key aspects of the program were larger and more advanced than before the Gulf War in 1991. Howard and Downer asserted that the threat to the world from Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was both great and immediate.
In this morning's Age, former secretary to the Intelligence Committee (2002-2007), Margaret Swieringa, calls him out.
"None of these arguments were true," writes Swierenga. "None of the government's arguments were supported by the intelligence presented to it by its own agencies." Her analysis is clinical.
Australian intelligence saw the same overseas reports that Howard did, and incorporated them into their assessments (as Andrew Wilkie explained when he first blew the whistle).
Howard ignored the advice of his own agencies to send Australia to an illegal war. Now he is engaged in a mendacious and dangerous attempt to rewrite history.
Nick Feik, EDITOR

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/howard-ignored-official-advice-on-iraqs-weapons-an...

Not economics but something in reality much worse.

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Reply #98 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:34pm

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Well I'll adress the re-writing in the next point, but to be clear
Keating has that record because he totally remodelled the Australian economy FOR THE BETTER.
You cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs & interest rates just happened to be those eggs.
BTW in 96 when Howard took over those rates were back down to 12/13 % & only feel the same amount again in Howard's 11 years.

but you arent pretending to rewrite history and so that is fine. keating did a reasonably good job. he did have the highest interest rates.

I dont mind debating facts but it it nice of facts remain consistent.

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Reply #99 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

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Well I'll adress the re-writing in the next point, but to be clear
Keating has that record because he totally remodelled the Australian economy FOR THE BETTER.
You cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs & interest rates just happened to be those eggs.
BTW in 96 when Howard took over those rates were back down to 12/13 % & only feel the same amount again in Howard's 11 years.

but you arent pretending to rewrite history and so that is fine. keating did a reasonably good job. he did have the highest interest rates.

I dont mind debating facts but it it nice of facts remain consistent.

I was looking forward to seein you try to get your self out of explaining howard's iraq comments posted by dsmithy. Oh well. You always run away when it gets too hard Sad

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Reply #100 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

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Well I'll adress the re-writing in the next point, but to be clear
Keating has that record because he totally remodelled the Australian economy FOR THE BETTER.
You cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs & interest rates just happened to be those eggs.
BTW in 96 when Howard took over those rates were back down to 12/13 % & only feel the same amount again in Howard's 11 years.

but you arent pretending to rewrite history and so that is fine. keating did a reasonably good job. he did have the highest interest rates.

I dont mind debating facts but it it nice of facts remain consistent.

Which brings us full circle

Do you agree with the facts contained in the article?

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Reply #101 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:47pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

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Well I'll adress the re-writing in the next point, but to be clear
Keating has that record because he totally remodelled the Australian economy FOR THE BETTER.
You cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs & interest rates just happened to be those eggs.
BTW in 96 when Howard took over those rates were back down to 12/13 % & only feel the same amount again in Howard's 11 years.

but you arent pretending to rewrite history and so that is fine. keating did a reasonably good job. he did have the highest interest rates.

I dont mind debating facts but it it nice of facts remain consistent.

I was looking forward to seein you try to get your self out of explaining howard's iraq comments posted by dsmithy. Oh well. You always run away when it gets too hard Sad

you might also find i take one topic at a time. Howard messed up with iraq in the rationale. Whether he was right or wrong is a different matter. But apparently voter opinion only matters to labor supporters when it suits them. When they discover pricnipled positions then politics might change for the better.

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Reply #102 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:48pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

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Well I'll adress the re-writing in the next point, but to be clear
Keating has that record because he totally remodelled the Australian economy FOR THE BETTER.
You cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs & interest rates just happened to be those eggs.
BTW in 96 when Howard took over those rates were back down to 12/13 % & only feel the same amount again in Howard's 11 years.

but you arent pretending to rewrite history and so that is fine. keating did a reasonably good job. he did have the highest interest rates.

I dont mind debating facts but it it nice of facts remain consistent.

Which brings us full circle

Do you agree with the facts contained in the article?

Interest rates under Thatcher were 17% and yet the neo cons hold her up as the rolled gold standard to judge all govts by.
World interest rates were high during that period and Australia was no different.
Interest rates were plummeting in Keatings last yr in govt so we can thank Keatings changes for the falling rates.
The high interest rates peaked when Hawke was PM just as they did in the same period under Thatcher and Reagan

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Reply #103 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

Quote:

Well I'll adress the re-writing in the next point, but to be clear
Keating has that record because he totally remodelled the Australian economy FOR THE BETTER.
You cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs & interest rates just happened to be those eggs.
BTW in 96 when Howard took over those rates were back down to 12/13 % & only feel the same amount again in Howard's 11 years.

but you arent pretending to rewrite history and so that is fine. keating did a reasonably good job. he did have the highest interest rates.

I dont mind debating facts but it it nice of facts remain consistent.

I was looking forward to seein you try to get your self out of explaining howard's iraq comments posted by dsmithy. Oh well. You always run away when it gets too hard Sad

you might also find i take one topic at a time. Howard messed up with iraq in the rationale. Whether he was right or wrong is a different matter. But apparently voter opinion only matters to labor supporters when it suits them. When they discover pricnipled positions then politics might change for the better.

Smithy was more referring to this, which is what you were asked to comment on:

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REWRITING HISTORY

John Howard gave a speech this week about his decision to go to war in Iraq. Refusing any of the criticism of the decision, he said the belief in weapons of mass destruction was the government's main justification for war.
It may seem like a distant, irrelevant historical detail now, but it cannot be left unchallenged.
The failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after the allied invasion was ''unexpected," according to Howard. The belief that Saddam Hussein possessed WMD's was ''near universal'' at the time. In speeches at the time he cited "recent production of chemical and biological weapons," and said that all key aspects of the program were larger and more advanced than before the Gulf War in 1991. Howard and Downer asserted that the threat to the world from Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was both great and immediate.
In this morning's Age, former secretary to the Intelligence Committee (2002-2007), Margaret Swieringa, calls him out.
"None of these arguments were true," writes Swierenga. "None of the government's arguments were supported by the intelligence presented to it by its own agencies." Her analysis is clinical.
Australian intelligence saw the same overseas reports that Howard did, and incorporated them into their assessments (as Andrew Wilkie explained when he first blew the whistle).
Howard ignored the advice of his own agencies to send Australia to an illegal war. Now he is engaged in a mendacious and dangerous attempt to rewrite history.
Nick Feik, EDITOR

Now, please, care to offer 2 cents on the article and its substance? Your previous attempt steered far from it.

Also, while you're at it, care to comments on the stats presented in the OP?

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Re: Tony's wrecking ball takes out his own credibility
Reply #104 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:55pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

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Well I'll adress the re-writing in the next point, but to be clear
Keating has that record because he totally remodelled the Australian economy FOR THE BETTER.
You cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs & interest rates just happened to be those eggs.
BTW in 96 when Howard took over those rates were back down to 12/13 % & only feel the same amount again in Howard's 11 years.

but you arent pretending to rewrite history and so that is fine. keating did a reasonably good job. he did have the highest interest rates.

I dont mind debating facts but it it nice of facts remain consistent.

I was looking forward to seein you try to get your self out of explaining howard's iraq comments posted by dsmithy. Oh well. You always run away when it gets too hard Sad

you might also find i take one topic at a time. Howard messed up with iraq in the rationale. Whether he was right or wrong is a different matter. But apparently voter opinion only matters to labor supporters when it suits them. When they discover pricnipled positions then politics might change for the better.

Smithy was more referring to this, which is what you were asked to comment on:

Quote:

REWRITING HISTORY

John Howard gave a speech this week about his decision to go to war in Iraq. Refusing any of the criticism of the decision, he said the belief in weapons of mass destruction was the government's main justification for war.
It may seem like a distant, irrelevant historical detail now, but it cannot be left unchallenged.
The failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after the allied invasion was ''unexpected," according to Howard. The belief that Saddam Hussein possessed WMD's was ''near universal'' at the time. In speeches at the time he cited "recent production of chemical and biological weapons," and said that all key aspects of the program were larger and more advanced than before the Gulf War in 1991. Howard and Downer asserted that the threat to the world from Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was both great and immediate.
In this morning's Age, former secretary to the Intelligence Committee (2002-2007), Margaret Swieringa, calls him out.
"None of these arguments were true," writes Swierenga. "None of the government's arguments were supported by the intelligence presented to it by its own agencies." Her analysis is clinical.
Australian intelligence saw the same overseas reports that Howard did, and incorporated them into their assessments (as Andrew Wilkie explained when he first blew the whistle).
Howard ignored the advice of his own agencies to send Australia to an illegal war. Now he is engaged in a mendacious and dangerous attempt to rewrite history.
Nick Feik, EDITOR

Now, please, care to offer 2 cents on the article and its substance? Your previous attempt steered far from it.

Also, while you're at it, care to comments on the stats presented in the OP?

I think Longy is right here Al
Lets keep this thread on the OP, I really want to see either the OP shredded, which shouldn't be too hard as the economy is ruined(apparently according to Tone)
Or I look forward to those honest enough doing a Mea Culpa on Tony rhetoric.

start up an Iraq one it would also be fun to watch the dancing around those FACTS as well. Wink

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