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Reply #30 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 12:58am
 
muso wrote on Apr 28th, 2013 at 12:53pm:
Basically, you picked a very poor example in Electricity.  All our sensory experience is based on pulses of electricity within the brain.

Flogging dead horses and digging yourself into a hole don't really work. 

Now as for face saving options -  I guess you could take a leaf out of Yadda's book and just quote scripture.

It beats thinking.




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Reply #31 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 7:48am
 
You can lead a horse to water...

For you to admit that we cannot see electricity would lead you open to admit that there are other things that we can believe in while not seeing them.

However I am sure that you will continue to try and wriggle out of it - so I will leave you to it. I have far more important things to do.
Off for a while, so don't think that you have won!!
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Reply #32 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:43am
 
damien wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 7:48am:
You can lead a horse to water...

For you to admit that we cannot see electricity would lead you open to admit that there are other things that we can believe in while not seeing them.

However I am sure that you will continue to try and wriggle out of it - so I will leave you to it. I have far more important things to do.
Off for a while, so don't think that you have won!!



The only thing we can see is Electricity. Everything must be converted to electrical impulses by the retina. You don't see light direct. All you "see" is the effect of that light translated into electrical impulses.

I don't know what you're going on about. You can certainly perceive electricity in many ways. If you touch a live conductor, you'll perceive it no problem at all. For lower voltages, you can certainly taste it safely (eg. 9 Volt battery on the tongue)

I thought that was just common sense.


- and for your information, if you stimulate the parietal lobe of the brain, you'll get a religious experience.

http://www.bidstrup.com/mystic.htm

Google the "God Helmet".

I'm not an atheist or even an anti-theist, so I'm not trying to make debate points here.
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Reply #33 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 7:42pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 12:23am:
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You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. .......

-Aaron Freeman.


First choose a physicist who has a cherished wife and family.  I've heard this kind of thing before.
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Reply #34 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:02pm
 
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Demonic possession is NOT real.

The spirit realm is NOT real.

Only what i can see, and what i can touch, and what i can comprehend, is real.


I have never taken psychotropic drugs, but had an  experience with a demonic possession about 20 years ago. I was put in contact with an exorcist and I felt and heard this "thing" being exorcised.

I put it down to all the seances we had as teenagers.

I won't go into detail - but the difference in my well being afterwards was amazing.

I'm an agnostic, but believe in spirits. They make themselves known if you're receptive. Personally I prefer to remain unreceptive.
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Reply #35 - May 8th, 2013 at 6:18pm
 
I believe in spirits, nothing like a shot of brandy in a hot lemon to get you over a cold  Cheesy

Here is a story, draw your own conclusions. At my small business I used to work most of Tuesday night then rock up at 9.00am Wed. Apparently I was grumpy then, according to my employees, so started taking Wednesdays off.

So this particular Wednesday I was driving my Mum and an aunty visiting from Holland through the Adelaide Hills and at about 3.3pm came to an intersection where I could either turn directly for home or take a more roundabout more scenic route. *Something* made me take the direct route and when we got home the phone was ringing—a bit of computer trouble I could fix over the phone but that employee was really strung out, so good I did get home early.

Coincidence? Telepathy that got through because that employee was totally stressed? Dunno, never had that feeling before or since.
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Reply #36 - May 9th, 2013 at 7:34am
 
Mental telepathy is very common. How many times have we thought of someone and the next minute they've phoned us or we've seen them somewhere?



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Reply #37 - May 9th, 2013 at 10:53am
 
Selective memory there, mantra and by that I mean you remember the cases where that happened, but not the many more times you thought of someone and they didn’t get in touch because that is not worth remembering.
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Reply #38 - May 9th, 2013 at 12:26pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on May 9th, 2013 at 10:53am:
Selective memory there, mantra and by that I mean you remember the cases where that happened, but not the many more times you thought of someone and they didn’t get in touch because that is not worth remembering.


You're too practical Monk. Where's your sense of spiritual adventure?
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Reply #39 - May 26th, 2013 at 1:04pm
 
mantra wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:02pm:
I'm an agnostic, but believe in spirits. They make themselves known if you're receptive.


Me too.

With me it's invisible gremlins. Not always downright evil, but always mischievous. Their entire motivation for living is to enjoy 'schadenfreude'.

It amuses them to make people negatively stressed in some way. They like engineering little 'accidents' and 'upsets'. 

It's they who are responsible for 'Murphy's Law'.

I've been the victim of countless, almost impossible negative little 'coincidences' in my lifetime ~ for Their vicious and delinquent entertainment..

I can cross a road in the middle of the Nullabor Desert and get hit by the only vehicle within 300 miles.

I can dive amongst a crowd of beach-side swimmers and be the one the shark targets.

I'll be the one whose parachute doesn't open.

Etc.

But I've learnt to beat these imps at their own game - sometimes.

I learnt to look where there is hiding room whenever I dropped something. Sure enough, a coin, a remote control, whatever, would be hiding exactly where I couldn't see it despite a 350 degree view of the floor or ground.

And so often the dropped object would have traversed an impossible distance to get to this one small place of concealment.

After quite awhile, They woke up to the fact that I'd worked out their little strategy for annoying me ... and so They started making my dropped objects STAY where they had fallen onto the carpet or ground... while I was looking in the hidden places ...

Does buttered toast fall face down... ? Helloooooooooo...?  Grin

Does the phone ring just when the most interesting part of a movie is playing on TV ... huh?

Etc etc...   

And how many times have you brought an electronic gadet home from the shops with a sticker on it saying "Quality Control Passed" ~ and it doesn't work. If I could have a dollar for every time that's happened to me ... Had to send back a tumble-dryer the other week.

Ever 'lose' things ... and you know damn well where you put it, but it's not there any more ... ? And then hours later you find it EXACTLY where you first looked ... ?  Grin

Gremlins and imps.
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Reply #40 - May 26th, 2013 at 2:05pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 1:04pm:
mantra wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:02pm:
I'm an agnostic, but believe in spirits. They make themselves known if you're receptive.


Me too.

With me it's invisible gremlins. Not always downright evil, but always mischievous. Their entire motivation for living is to enjoy 'schadenfreude'.




Those creatures certainly exist, in my experience.

gremlins seem to be wholly external to us, and are invisible to our eyes, and seem to be quite dumb, but as you say, they are mischievous.

But to be able to act, they seem to be 'information dependent'.

I find that teh best policy is to never speak out loud about anything, which/where you do not want them to make their presence 'felt'.

They seem to be just waiting, on our spoken words.








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I'll be the one whose parachute doesn't open.



How did you survive that experience!

LOL








p.s.
If you are experiencing a really bad day, [mentally/verbally] ask God to surround you with his light.

Gremlins won't come near that spiritual light.

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Reply #41 - May 26th, 2013 at 3:14pm
 
Yadda wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 2:05pm:
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I'll be the one whose parachute doesn't open.


How did you survive that experience!

LOL


I kept saying "So far so good" until I landed on a fat Muslim screwing his fat girlfriend (Fatima) in an open field. I bounced. They didn't survive.

I'm now in hiding from a 'Death Fatwa' their imam laid on me ...  Cool

Yadda wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 2:05pm:
ask God to surround you with his light.

Gremlins won't come near that spiritual light.


Thanks for that hot tip, Yadda. During my drinking days I used to surround myself in an alcoholic 'glow' which kept not only the gremlins away but everyone else too ~ including the mosquitoes.
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Reply #42 - May 26th, 2013 at 6:14pm
 
Herbert,

I know that i am a little 'naive'.       Wink

[" 'Out there' on the planetary rim, more like it!" he says.]
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Reply #43 - May 26th, 2013 at 9:11pm
 
Yadda wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 6:14pm:
Herbert,

I know that i am a little 'naive'.       Wink

[" 'Out there' on the planetary rim, more like it!" he says.]


I wasn't thinking you are naive. i don't know how you came to that conclusion.

I think I've been mistranslated.  Cool
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Reply #44 - May 27th, 2013 at 7:54am
 
LOL
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