Demonic possession is NOT real.

The spirit realm is NOT real.

Only what i can see, and what i can touch, and what i can comprehend, is real.





     ....goto 9m 13s
YT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GqnG4l55j0


https://www.youtube.com/user/fidockave213






I believe that Psychotropic drugs [whether prescription or 'recreational'] are the most direct means that can 'open us' to demons [i.e. to demon possession].

My advice is, do not take Psychotropic drugs.


Dictionary;
psychotropic = = relating to or denoting drugs that affect a person’s mental state.





God created you, as a unique spirit being.

At the moment, you are compelled to reside in this body.

And God has made YOU [alone] the gatekeeper of your own heart.

Only through your own fear, and/or through your own complicity, can a demon take possession of 'you'.

Ha ha, it is to laugh, muso.




When you were a child muso, you didn't have knowledge of many things.

You couldn't see radio waves, and you didn't know what radio waves were, until......







1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Of course you did muso.            




"Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed."

Yadda wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:48am:


Some childish things are worth keeping. Open mindedness, a non cynical approach to life, a sense of fun and a forgiving, non judgemental attitude are some of them. The same applies to creativity.

Never forsake the child within. That's another invisible entity for you. Do you think that exists?

I have never used the simplistic argument that because it's invisible , it doesn't exist, so you can forget the part about radio waves. It's a strawman.

Quote:


That quote comes from J K Rowling, but it's quite universal when you think about it.   After all, everything is happening inside your head, otherwise you wouldn't be able to perceive it in any way.

General anesthetics have two components. One is analgesic (suppresses pain). The other suppresses N-Methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) , which effectively stops you thinking. Both can be psychotropic to some extent.

I was just amused that you would think that having a general anesthetic could "let the demons in".

You'd have a field day with endoscopy patients. They are usually given propofol or midazolam. They are apparently awake during the procedure, but often say things totally out of character and can be quite uninhibited. Afterwards they remember nothing of it. It's called conscious sedation.

muso wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:54am:





Gravity, and the world, are our teachers.

No ?

Why does gravity refuse to bear us up, when we [foolishly] jump off a precipice ?



muso,

Would you ever claim that gravity is cynically cruel and grotesque, for dashing us upon those rocks below ?

I don't believe that you would argue such a proposition.

Yet you would argue [i believe] that man/men should [always?] be forgiven for their foolishness.

[....and how are we to learn [something of value], if we are never criticised, for our foolishness ?]






And i will say again here, that my philosophy is not cynical or cruel [nor, is the philosophy of my God, cruel, as i understand him].

And i will argue that my philosophy is willing to forgive the foolish,     ...but not the cruel.

And that is where we two must part.


Q.
How am i so certain that you are willing to forgive the cruel ?

A.
Because i see you [on this forum] ignore and forgive the cruel, and call 'foolishness' a 'virtue' [i.e. 'tolerance'], e.g. "...a sense of fun and a forgiving".




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muso,

Q.
Is it cruel [for others, of others], to embrace a philosophy which teaches, that it is lawful to enslave and/or murder others, for no other reason but to satisfy the carnal desire and vanity of those who [would] choose to embrace such a philosophy ?

Q.
Is it cruel [for ourselves, who are not members of that philosophy] to pretend [to ourselves], that persons who we count as 'friends', are not cruel persons,
...even though our 'friends' have chosen to associate themselves with that cruel philosophy ?
...even though our 'friends' [by their 'embrace' of that philosophy] do choose to embrace the tenets of that cruel philosophy ?






Q.
Are we forgiven, because we look away from the truth, when our fellow-travellers [the friends of our 'friends'], behave cruelly ?

Q.
Are we forgiven, because we are not convicted by our own consciences, because we turn our eyes away, when we choose not to acknowledge [and openly condemn] the cruel actions of cruel persons, and a cruel philosophy ?





THOSE WHO ARE CONVICTED;

damien wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:


He's being ironic and using a strawman.

muso wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:54am:






muso,

Why is it a strawman to use the example/analogy of radio waves [being 'unknown', and unknowable] ?

Of course, we have the technology to detect radio waves, and we KNOW that radio waves do exist.





But muso, if i was a person from a culture that did not posses the technology to detect 'radio waves', then i could legitimately, and logically, make the case that;



???





muso,

Doesn't the [validity of the] argument depend upon 'where' you are 'observing' from ?

e.g.
If my perception of reality is different from yours [because my life experiences have been different from your own],
...does that mean that my 'reality' is invalid, because my perception of reality, is not your perception of reality ?

Does only your [or the majority] perception of 'reality' have validity ???





And hey muso,

Why don't you see the 'radio waves' ???         

What is wrong, with you !!         



Oh i know.

You can't 'see' the 'radio waves', because you don't have the 'technology' to detect the 'radio waves'.

So that means, that the 'radio waves', positively, do not exist.         

muso wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:


Then you are not denying, that a spirit realm could exist [but normally be beyond our detection/comprehension] ?








Quote:



I just turn on the radio, or, TV.          

Yadda wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:


Isn't life itself beyond our detection/ comprehension ?

How would you begin to define life?  That in itself is by no means a mundane question. It's like art. You'd like to think that you know it when you see it, but it's not easy to define. 

To me, understanding life and natural processes is far more important than understanding something which I am unable to perceive or detect. (There is a phone app called ghost detector   though)

- and yes, it depends on individual perspective and perception.