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Trying To Justify The Unfair Single Parent Cuts.
Apr 10th, 2013 at 6:39pm
 
Figures belie Newstart reality for single parents, say Greens

    by: PATRICIA KARVELAS
    From: The Australian
    April 10, 2013


Greens senator Rachel Siewert says the government is 'spinning' the number of single parents reporting earnings income.

THE Greens have accused the Gillard Government of trying to "spin" the number of single parents reporting earnings income in order to justify "their unfair payment cuts".     Sad

Greens Senator Rachel Siewert said the Government should not be patting themselves on the back so quickly.

"These figures cannot simply be interpreted as straightforward evidence as to this policy's effectiveness," she said today.

It comes after The Australian reported that the Gillard goverment's tough-love budget decision to force thousands of single mothers on to the dole is achieving one of its key objectives, with almost 4000 parents who were relying exclusively on welfare now drawing their own income.

While Labor's decision to shift single parents off the higher Parenting Payment was mainly motivated by the desire to save $700 million for the budget, the government has maintained the move, which is opposed by the majority of caucus, was about increasing work participation and ending welfare dependence.


The Australian revealed that 3861, or 11.7 per cent, of the 32,896 parents who had no fortnightly earnings as of January 1 when they were shifted from Parenting Payment to Newstart Allowance now have income.

Employment Minister Bill Shorten, who has been travelling with Julia Gillard in China, said yesterday he was pleased the policy was having its desired effect.

"The government has always said our priority is getting people into work," Mr Shorten said. "I'm pleased that over 3800 single parents have found jobs."

Labor MPs have become increasingly angry at the decision to move about 84,000 parents to Newstart when their youngest child turns eight. About 72,000 single parents now receive between $60 and $100 a week less than before the change.

But the Greens say that in reality the majority of single parents were already working before being moved to Newstart and they are now worse off as a result of the payment's lower income threshold of $62 per fortnight. "Some have even had to drop their work hours because of this".     Sad

"There is a lot that these numbers don't tell us. In particular, we don' know if these parents that are now reporting earnings are financially actually better off.

"We don't know whether they have they managed to replace the income lost by moving to Newstart, or if they have adequate childcare arrangements.

"It is entirely possible that these parents, as with those who were previously working and have dropped out of the income support system altogether, are not better off when their overall financial position is taken into consideration.     Sad

"It is also likely that these jobs are in insecure and temporary work, which can end at very short notice. Such roles do not offer important benefits such as personal leave or carers leave, and they are not viable replacements for a stable job," the Greens Senator said.

"My office has already been contacted by one mother who has taken up an extra 15 hours a week since the payment cuts took effect. With Newstart's taper rates and additional childcare fees taken into consideration, she's estimated that she is working for an extra $3 per hour. On top of this, her extra shifts are limiting the time she can spend with her family.     Sad

"This policy has never been about helping people into work, rather, it's been a way for the Government to top up the budget without being forced to stand up to the mining industry and fix the MRRT.     Sad

"Punishing people with low income support and forcing them into insecure work is not a sustainable way to ensure they become financially independent and are able to raise their children," Senator Siewert concluded.
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Reply #1 - Apr 10th, 2013 at 7:55pm
 
a)  What on earth does reporting income have to do with the receipt of benefits for those with no income?  That is just a nonsense and a total obfuscation put forward by the number crunchers to somehow justify.  If xx% of benefit recipients report income - what possible impact does that have on the rest?

b)  Where are all these jobs that people are supposed to be going to?  Even those without children are struggling to find work. Cheesy

SHOW ME, Miz Gillard!

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Reply #2 - Apr 10th, 2013 at 8:06pm
 
aaargh.. tried to post a new issue and it ended up here... internat has gone insane tonight.
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Reply #3 - Apr 10th, 2013 at 8:20pm
 
The ALP is a lot more smarter and orthodox than the Liberals, but they are now showing how UN-AUSTRALIAN they are becoming all the more compared to the Liberals.

They prefer Boat People influx rather than supporting a domestic population growth, even if the OZ mothers happen to be single.
Don't breed - Import !!! Via the Gillard, anti-children policy. Grin
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Reply #4 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 7:03am
 
THE Greens have accused the Gillard Government of trying to "spin" the number of single parents reporting earnings income in order to justify "their unfair payment cuts".     Sad
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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 9:17am
 
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THE Greens have accused the Gillard Government of trying to "spin" the number of single parents reporting earnings income in order to justify "their unfair payment cuts".     Sad


You cannot justify the unjustifiable.

And this filthy attack on welfare recipients is certainly unjustifiable.
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Reply #6 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 10:36am
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 10th, 2013 at 8:20pm:
The ALP is a lot more smarter and orthodox than the Liberals

that's not true, the amount of dumb things they've committed is innumerable.  Cry
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Reply #7 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 10:43am
 
The policy is not unfair.

Hypocrital yes.... but not unfair.
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Reply #8 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 11:04am
 
Is this really a Labor Government, always finding ways of screwing the weakest and most defenceless in our society.

John Curtin would have turned in his grave. Labor stands for these days, Ex Union thugs with portfolios as Government Ministers, skulduggery, cover ups and more front than an elephant.

Gillard should have been turfed eons ago yet she continues to cling to mirage that she is some sort of world leader.

The Chinese must have been laughing their heads off at her, going cap in hand to them.

But I digress, the meanest most spiteful act this Government and I use that word loosely, was to slaughter the single parent families out there and send them like sheep to the slaughter with Newstart.

Yet 34,000 bludgers who turned up with their hands out are now feeding off the system. How much money could have been used to continue to support single parent families; when it is being blown on bludgers incorporated which has blown out to billions.

Come September, we will kick their sorry arses out into the gutter where most of those slimebuckets belong.
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Reply #9 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 2:50pm
 
sterilise them
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Reply #10 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 4:52pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 2:50pm:
sterilise them


Big on the sterilization calls today Imp

Been reading Eugenics again?


As for the thread, I don't have a problem with it, your kid (or youngest kid) is 8, they are more then capable of being home alone.
Hell they might even start to display responsibility and all that sort of stuff.

The biggest problem with today's youth is they have had everything & earnt NOTHING.

No rejection at school , hell no failure

Nothing close to discipline outside of the home.

All to create jobs for useless humanities graduates Angry
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Reply #11 - Apr 12th, 2013 at 5:43am
 
Swagman wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 10:43am:
The policy is not unfair.

Hypocrital yes.... but not unfair.


Hey swagman did you ever acknowledge this post?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365459525/17

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Reply #12 - Apr 12th, 2013 at 7:28am
 
Well To all you IGNORANTS that post here, If you don't like Single parents, getting Welfare, well then GET OFF you dam ARSE and get them a JOB, and provide them with care for their children.
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Reply #13 - Apr 12th, 2013 at 7:44am
 
I support the Single-Mother's Industry
I pay $150 for an hour of their time
so they can look after their snot nose kid they had with a darkie, probably one that is fresh off the boat.

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Reply #14 - Apr 12th, 2013 at 2:46pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 12th, 2013 at 5:43am:
Swagman wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 10:43am:
The policy is not unfair.

Hypocrital yes.... but not unfair.


Hey swagman did you ever acknowledge this post?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365459525/17

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Hullo Borg.  Yes I did.

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