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Reply #15 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 4:25pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:25pm:
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Do you actually know how this consensus of AGW was formed.....????????????
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Those who understand the subject best, substantially stopped arguing.
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Reply #16 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 5:04pm
 
# wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 4:25pm:
Ajax wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:25pm:
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Do you actually know how this consensus of AGW was formed.....????????????
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Those who understand the subject best, substantially stopped arguing.


That would be a consensus on a consensus then....still has absolutely nothing to do with robust scientific methodology. But as long as it keeps you happy I guess I couldn't care less.
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Reply #17 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 5:09pm
 
Rider wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 5:04pm:
# wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 4:25pm:
Ajax wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:25pm:
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Do you actually know how this consensus of AGW was formed.....????????????
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Those who understand the subject best, substantially stopped arguing.


That would be a consensus on a consensus then....still has absolutely nothing to do with robust scientific methodology. ...

Given that it's a consensus among scientists who are the best qualified in the field, your assertion is risible.
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Reply #18 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 5:14pm
 
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In the field of climate science, the consensus is unequivocal: human activities are causing climate change.



Here are but just a few of many responses from scientists that actually took part in the survey, taken from the appendi of the MSc thesis:

“..scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides..”

“..I’m not sure what you are trying to prove, but you will undoubtably be able to prove your pre-existing opinion with this survey! I’m sorry I even started it!..”



http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/what-else-did-the-97-of-scientists-say/

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Reply #19 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 6:35pm
 
What consensus,,,,,,,there is no consensus....????

Its called a gravy train.........if you want money for your research just add global warming to whatever it is your studying.

Presto money in the bank..............

CSIRO come on down...................

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That Scientific Global Warming Consensus…Not! – Forbes

By Larry Bell

So where did that famous “consensus” claim that “98% of all scientists believe in global warming” come from? It originated from an endlessly reported 2009 American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists by two researchers at the University of Illinois. Of the about 3.000 who responded, 82% answered “yes” to the second question, which like the first, most people I know would also have agreed with.


Then of those, only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic. That “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”.

That anything-but-scientific survey asked two questions. The first: “When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?” Few would be expected to dispute this…the planet began thawing out of the “Little Ice Age” in the middle 19th century, predating the Industrial Revolution. (That was the coldest period since the last real Ice Age ended roughly 10,000 years ago.)

The second question asked: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?” So what constitutes “significant”? Does “changing” include both cooling and warming… and for both “better” and “worse”? And which contributions…does this include land use changes, such as agriculture and deforestation?

the rest here

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/07/17/that-scientific-global-warming-...

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Reply #20 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 6:43pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 5:14pm:
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Here are but just a few of many responses from scientists that actually took part in the survey, taken from the appendi of the MSc thesis:

Which one?
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 5:14pm:
[i]“..scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. ...

Does finding out what the majority say constitute a vote?

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Reply #21 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 6:48pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 6:35pm:
What consensus,,,,,,,there is no consensus....???
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Denial ain't just dat river in Egypt.
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Reply #22 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 7:28pm
 
Responding to committed climate science deniers is futile. For anyone genuine who may be reading, common arguments of deniers are dealt with here: http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php.
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Reply #23 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 7:35pm
 
# wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 7:28pm:
Responding to committed climate science deniers is futile. For anyone genuine who may be reading, common arguments of deniers are dealt with here: http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php.


Oh Lordy...........pull the other one it has bells  Grin Grin
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Reply #24 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 7:41pm
 
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Oh Lordy...........pull the other one it has bells

Are you trolling?
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Reply #25 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 12:21pm
 
# wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 7:28pm:
Responding to committed climate science deniers is futile. For anyone genuine who may be reading, common arguments of deniers are dealt with here: http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php.


We all know about skeptical science blog.

They are to the global warming religion what the vatican is to catholics.

You gotta quote from a source that doesn't rely on faith.
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Reply #26 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 12:32pm
 
I see that your faith in the unqualified Joanne Nova and Anthony Watts is strong.


Quite touching really.
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Reply #27 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 12:47pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 12:32pm:
I see that your faith in the unqualified Joanne Nova and Anthony Watts is strong.


Quite touching really.


At least they review both sides of the arguement with science rather than faith.

And dont call for the death of alarmists......??
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Reply #28 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 10:08am
 
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At least they review both sides of the arguement with science rather than faith.

And dont call for the death of alarmists......??


I have only visited the Skeptical Science site after being prompted by you. You obviously know more about it than I do.

So can you give me some examples of where they use faith?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but I'm sure you wouldn't mind backing up your claim with evidence.
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Reply #29 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:59pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 12:21pm:
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Responding to committed climate science deniers is futile. For anyone genuine who may be reading, common arguments of deniers are dealt with here: http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php.


We all know about skeptical science blog.

They are to the global warming religion what the vatican is to catholics.

You gotta quote from a source that doesn't rely on faith.

http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/skepticalscience.com
Your religion is in the  minority, it seems.
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