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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26509 Australia	Re: The academics who hate free speech Reply #92 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 2:13pm Mnemonic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:27pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 5:20am: Why do you hate mandarin? Because its hard? Yes, it's hard. I have heard that arabic is the hardest . . . i think any language that has symbols nothing like ours would be hard. SOB
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Reply #93 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 2:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 11:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 11:14pm:

It is interesting this attempt to silence came from academics and not students.

if you've ever worked in a university you would know that it is THE left-wing organization in the country. A friend of mine who worked in a uni was reprimanded for having a picture of Howard in his cubicle. Pictures of Keating however were acceptable.

But just as when people get older and wiser they abandon left-wing silliness so do students when they leave the rarefied air of universities. The academics however never leave, never work in the real world and thus stay entrenched in their left-wing world where 'free speech' is a concept that applies the them but not everyone else.

A link to provide evidence for this?

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Reply #94 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 2:18pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:53pm:

... wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:26pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 11:31am:

The right to express his or her sexual orientation

Safety from violence

You'll have to explain just how these rights are being breached.

Is there some state-sanctioned campaign of violence aginst homos that I haven't been told about?
Are homos at more risk of violence than others?

And again, Homos aren't stopped from expressing their sexuality by anyone...though one could argue that paedophiles and bestialists are.

Just admit it - your rights as a homo are intact, you just loooove to whinge.

What world do you live in?
What have paedophiles and bestialists got to do with this issue?
It is also interesting that you use the term "homo" which actually refers to a genus of great apes which include modern humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo

Your posts are destroying your own argument.

actually he made a very insightful observation which damages your own. The 'right to you own sexual preference' clearly is not a right at all if it excludes ANY sexual preference and paedophiles and beastailists are denied that 'right'. So perhaps 'sexual preference' is not really a right at all. And dont talk about LEGAL sexual preferences because that would exclude gays as well up until relatively recent days and thats the thing about 'rights'. they are absolute not relative. they either are or arent... a right.

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Reply #95 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 2:20pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 2:13pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 5:20am:

Why do you hate mandarin? Because its hard?

Yes, it's hard.

I have heard that arabic is the hardest . . . i think any language that has symbols nothing like ours would be hard.

SOB

doh....!!!

if you are raised on those symbols then ENGLISH alphabets are the more difficult.

Mandarin is considered difficult because of the sheer quantity of the symbols, not that their symbosl are any 'harder' than ours.

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Reply #97 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:52pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 2:13pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 5:20am:

Why do you hate mandarin? Because its hard?

Yes, it's hard.

I have heard that arabic is the hardest . . . i think any language that has symbols nothing like ours would be hard.

SOB

You're talking about Latin script. Arabic may use different types of letters but it still has an alphabet. It is not some kind of symbol language.

Once that alphabet is learnt (which can be done in a day if you put your mind to it) it becomes not much harder than learning other languages.

There is a lot of overlap between Hebrew and Arabic. The hardest part about these languages is the vowel system, which uses pointers (some sort of dash or dot) above or below or to the side of the consonant letters, unlike us who use vowel letters. These can be particularly hard since they are often not written down but are filled in by the memory and knowledge of the reader. (For example, the last sentence in English without vowels; Ths cn b prtclrly hrd snc thy are ftn nt wrttn dwn bt r flld n by th mmry nd knwldg f th rdr. An native English speaker could fill in the gaps, while a new learner would have no idea.)

The other hard part about Arabic is the different forms the letters take depending on their place in a word. In English, a H is a capital at the start of the word of a new sentence or proper noun, while it is a h everywhere else. That is two forms that have to be learnt. A S however looks like a S all the time. It just gets bigger if it is a capital. Despite this, our letters are very consistent. In Arabic though a letter can change its form depending on if it is the first letter of a word, a middle letter, the last letter, or by itself. Some letters therefore can have 4 different forms (while there are some that just have the one). Once that is mastered (again, a day or two is all that's needed to memorize them) Arabic becomes like most languages, where vocabulary and complicated grammar (mostly the verbs) take the most time. But Arabic is not that out there as far as a language goes.

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Reply #98 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 10:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 2:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 11:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 11:14pm:

It is interesting this attempt to silence came from academics and not students.

if you've ever worked in a university you would know that it is THE left-wing organization in the country. A friend of mine who worked in a uni was reprimanded for having a picture of Howard in his cubicle. Pictures of Keating however were acceptable.

But just as when people get older and wiser they abandon left-wing silliness so do students when they leave the rarefied air of universities. The academics however never leave, never work in the real world and thus stay entrenched in their left-wing world where 'free speech' is a concept that applies the them but not everyone else.

A link to provide evidence for this?

Longweekend is forgiven for not providing any evidence for his statements.

namaste

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Reply #99 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:17am

Quantum wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:52pm:

There is a lot of overlap between Hebrew and Arabic. The hardest part about these languages is the vowel system, which uses pointers (some sort of dash or dot) above or below or to the side of the consonant letters, unlike us who use vowel letters. These can be particularly hard since they are often not written down but are filled in by the memory and knowledge of the reader. (For example, the last sentence in English without vowels; Ths cn b prtclrly hrd snc thy are ftn nt wrttn dwn bt r flld n by th mmry nd knwldg f th rdr. An native English speaker could fill in the gaps, while a new learner would have no idea.)

The other hard part about Arabic is the different forms the letters take depending on their place in a word. In English, a H is a capital at the start of the word of a new sentence or proper noun, while it is a h everywhere else. That is two forms that have to be learnt. A S however looks like a S all the time. It just gets bigger if it is a capital. Despite this, our letters are very consistent. In Arabic though a letter can change its form depending on if it is the first letter of a word, a middle letter, the last letter, or by itself. Some letters therefore can have 4 different forms (while there are some that just have the one). Once that is mastered (again, a day or two is all that's needed to memorize them) Arabic becomes like most languages, where vocabulary and complicated grammar (mostly the verbs) take the most time. But Arabic is not that out there as far as a language goes.

Thanks for that. I think now if I ever try to learn Hebrew or Arabic in the future, it will be easier.

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Reply #100 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:26am

Karnal wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:49am:

It’s not that Australians have not had the chance to learn different languages - it’s that language acquisition has essentially been whitewashed by decree, through successive government policies.

Yeah, too much nationalism and jingoism is the cause. You speak English to prove you're loyal to this country, leading to reverse racism by ethnics to not speak their ancestral language in public. The idea that only whites practise reverse racism isn't true. Ethnics do it too by not speaking their ancestral language in public. By the second generation ethnics cease to be fluent speakers in this foreign language. Most probably can't read or write it anymore. They can only speak in that foreign language and they only know the words for a few, basic everyday items and concepts. They can't write essays with what they know and remember. They're illiterate in that foreign language.

These are the things we do just to be a nation. It is your patriotic duty to forget languages other than English. People don't give ethnics enough credit for linguistic amnesia.

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Reply #101 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 5:09am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 2:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 2:13pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 5:20am:

Why do you hate mandarin? Because its hard?

Yes, it's hard.

I have heard that arabic is the hardest . . . i think any language that has symbols nothing like ours would be hard.

SOB

doh....!!!

if you are raised on those symbols then ENGLISH alphabets are the more difficult.

Mandarin is considered difficult because of the sheer quantity of the symbols, not that their symbosl are any 'harder' than ours.

go away troll

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Reply #102 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 8:53pm

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:26am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:49am:

It’s not that Australians have not had the chance to learn different languages - it’s that language acquisition has essentially been whitewashed by decree, through successive government policies.

Yeah, too much nationalism and jingoism is the cause. You speak English to prove you're loyal to this country,.

True, but until the early 1970s, Australia lived in the shadow of Mother England. You hardly heard an Australian accent on TV or radio, and if you did it was for comic effect.

It was as if Australians in the cities finally woke up one day and realised they were actually living in Asia, not some outer suburb of London.

What a dreary, phony little suburban backwater we must have lived in. Don’t take my word for it, listen to people like Barry Humphries, Clive James and even John Singleton. Australians lived in a surreal colonial backwater that in no way held the mirror up to our nature. Australians were taught to hate the way we were, and we tried desperately to be someone else.

At the same time, we exported a brutal form of authenticity back to the mother country and to Hollywood. Errol Flynn, Humphries, and many of the current crop of actor exports are known for their blunt charm and brutal honesty.

There is a tension and duality in being a colonial. Who knows? We may have resolved most of it - largely by embracing multiculturalism. But for the first half of the 20th century, we tried to be more English than Mother England. God knows how many young lives it cost us in their wars, but we relied on the mother country because they bought our wool. Our pound was even pegged to theirs. We were like a Soviet satelite state.

Thank God we got out of that deal, but be under no illusions where we’re heading. The future, friends. is China and India.

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Reply #103 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 9:55pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 10:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 2:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 11:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 11:14pm:

It is interesting this attempt to silence came from academics and not students.

if you've ever worked in a university you would know that it is THE left-wing organization in the country. A friend of mine who worked in a uni was reprimanded for having a picture of Howard in his cubicle. Pictures of Keating however were acceptable.

But just as when people get older and wiser they abandon left-wing silliness so do students when they leave the rarefied air of universities. The academics however never leave, never work in the real world and thus stay entrenched in their left-wing world where 'free speech' is a concept that applies the them but not everyone else.

A link to provide evidence for this?

Longweekend is forgiven for not providing any evidence for his statements.

namaste

Longweekend is forgiven for being friends with someone who would put up a picture of John Howard.

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Reply #104 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:04pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 2:13pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 5:20am:

Why do you hate mandarin? Because its hard?

Yes, it's hard.

I have heard that arabic is the hardest . . . i think any language that has symbols nothing like ours would be hard.

SOB

For a person with your abilities SPOT, Arabic would be simple to learn.

You know it.

Come on, don't be modest.

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