Yadda wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 1:09pm:








have publicly condemned the violence of moslem 'extremists'.



n.b.

In the way that those [who identify themselves as moslems] on this public forum, have claimed that those actions [by those 'extremists'] has nothing to do with them, and real ISLAM.






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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya




Google;


Google;

Yadda wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:29am:


Is that like the clones in star wars - all nice and friendly until the emperor activates order 66?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 4:38pm:


you worship a terrorist called Allah who demands 20% of all war booty.

Muslims say the Quran is the words of Allah, is Allah a terrorist?

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Why the fingertips gandalf can you spin that one?

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Why does Allah need 20% of all war booty, Mohammad was a fraud,a charlatan, an imposter a prophet pretender a sex offender.
www.quran.com/8/41

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 4:38pm:




[As a political 'device'] TERROR SERVES ISLAM'S POLITICAL INTERESTS

Terror is BOTH, the objective, and the method, to achieve and to maintain ISLAM's political 'superiority'!

i.e.
#1,
ISLAMIC authority [governmental power] is gained legitimately, when it is gained through the use of terror.

#2,
And, terror is a legitimate means to maintain ISLAMIC authority and superiority.   [Koran 33.60,61]




VIOLENT AGGRESSION, AGAINST THE DISBELIEVERS - ACTIVATED IN THE MOSLEM PSYCHE;

Wherever the moslems are confident that 'Jihad operations' can deliver [political] 'superiority' to the moslems, moslems will abandon presenting ISLAM as being a 'benign' and 'tolerant' philosophy.

Instead, then, the 'rightly guided' moslems will aggressively and violently use any means necessary, and i mean ANY MEANS!! necessary, in seeking to achieve absolute political power.
[e.g. Nigeria, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, southern Thailand, southern Philippines]



for us [non-moslem host communities], is that moslems see their [violent moslem] behaviour as lawful, and moral.

So that castigating moslems [and the moslem community], for the reprehensible behaviour which their 'religion' allows, will have absolutely no effect upon the consciences of individual moslems.

As per the Koran.....

"Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger! Those who disbelieve and hinder men from the Cause of Allah, He will not pardon. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace. You have the upper hand.
Koran 47.33-35

i.e. Those who disbelieve and resist moslem ambitions and demands, are the enemies of Allah.
Those persons who disbelieve, deserve to die, it is lawful to kill them.
And Allah commands; Whenever you have the upper hand, slay those who resist ISLAM's lawful [i.e. 'moral'] authority/superiority.


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When we know that the moslem 'religion' tells [and teaches] moslems!, that in undermining the structural integrity of the communities of their enemy [through every means available to them, including violent acts], that moslems are behaving morally,
....why would we [Western communities/nations which are host to moslem communities] think/believe/imagine! that moslems would want to correct their reprehensible behaviour [reprehensible by the moral values that we subscribe to] ?








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'Nothing succeeds like success.'

And nothing is more certain to 'activate' a moslem, as a Jihadist, than to see the 'disbelievers' being 'forced' to appease moslem ambitions.

To moslems;
Coming into the country of their enemy and being able to abuse and exploit the rights and freedoms [which their enemy has 'gifted' to them], so as to undermine the rights and freedoms of their enemy, just proves to moslems that Allah is helping the moslems, to defeat their enemy!

That, is the moslem mind-set.




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To moslems, using rape as weapon [in warfare], to instil terror [and fear of the moslems] into your enemy, is seen as a legitimate tactic of war - against the disbelievers.


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[NO MATTER THE LYING DENIALS FROM THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY] ISLAM SANCTIONS THE RAPE OF INFIDEL WOMEN AND GIRLS AS 'LAWFUL'...

"....attacks on girls as young as 13.... they had no right to say no. They were not covering their face or wearing a headscarf, and therefore, the rapist proclaimed:
...I’m not doing anything wrong."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=20535&p=1
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/27/1069825922999.html

"......A Muslim man commits rape if and only if he has sex with a Muslim woman....Having forced sex with an infidel woman does not at all constitute rape, Islamically speaking."

By  Abul Kasem
http://islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/MeatImam.htm

Google;
"they had no right to say no"

Google;
"rape jihad"








And all moslems KNOW what ISLAMIC law permits, and what is forbidden.

Every immigrant Muslim and their progeny in Western societies are 'sleepers' for eventual Islamic jihad against the nations of the Unbelievers.

It is the sacred duty of all Muslims to assist in whichever way they can to promote Islam towards it eventually becoming the dominant political and legal system throughout the land.

This 'assistance' may manifest itself as nothing more than remaining silent and uncritical when Islamic terrorist acts are performed against the target society.

Passive Islamism kills just as effectively as passive smoking.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 11:43am:


Any group of people who have the capacity, and the potential, to be 'radicalised' towards feelings of violent hostility for the people of the immigrant host country are most certainly not fit subjects for immigration.

Australia has over 150 immigrant ethnicities from all over the world, and yet there's just that one community group that makes the nightly headlines on our news services for all the wrong reasons.

And why is this so?

Because Islam teaches them from cradle to grave that full assimilation into the kafir's society is a betrayal that is tantamount to apostasy.

Consequence?

Immigrant Muslims build physical and mental ghettoes separate from the rest of society, and carefully coach their Australian-born children to regard themselves as primarily loyal to global Islam before any loyalty to the country of their birth.

This is reinforced through enlistment with Islamic schools, the wearing of the hijab, and the hating of the Great Satan (the US).

The repeated utterances of 'Allahu Akbah' in the home also indelibly inscribes on the mind of the growing child an identity that is utterly alien to that of the mainstream.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 11:43am:




On this public forum gandalf will joke about;
moslem murder of disbelievers,
moslem rape of captive women and girls,
moslem sex slavery of captive women and girls,
moslem be-headings of disbelievers.



which encourages this 'acceptable' and 'lawful' behaviour.i
http://www.aussie-patriot.com/Video/Muslim_12yr_Old_BUTCHERS_Hostage.wmv






The victim was beheaded because of his apostasy [abandonment of ISLAM], and for his supposed betrayal of local moslems.

His execution was totally 'lawful'.






hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


What many Australians should loathe, is a culture which encourages behaviour like this, in a 12 year old boy.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:


Firstly you need to sort out your terms. Islam is neither an ethnicity or a community group. In reality islam crosses multiple ethnic and community groups.

Secondly, if the news that you are listening to is singling out just one "community group" every night "for all the wrong reasons", I suggest you switch off that channel and tune into something more informative. Because when talking about ethnic crime in Australia, those perpetrators from a muslim background are just one of many ethnic groups, and indeed are not even at the top.

Thirdly, its simply ridiculous to ascribe crime in Australia to religion. I have never once heard of a Lebanese drug dealer or armed robber shouting "Allahu Akhbar!!" as they perform their crime. Lebanese criminals, like all criminals in Australia are secular, and engage in behaviour that can only be described as anti-islamic. Like most crime, Lebanese crime in Australia is a function of socio-economic conditions. Lebanese muslims in Australia came here as refugees fleeing war - yet due to a peculiar decision by the then Fraser Government, were not given official refugee status, and all the assistance that goes with that. So they came here with no money and very few skills - and often traumatized by the war they left behind. In these circumstances, they were literally left to fend for themselves to find a job and a place to live. Lebanese crime and poverty that we see today in western Sydney grew out of this context - not some idiotic notion of striving for a world caliphate.


Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 12:18pm:


Yeah, I know its just bizarre - I mean it just beggers belief, considering the courteous treatment they get from people like you and Yadda - and well just about everyone else here