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Reply #75 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:41pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

There has been no warming dude.

So - we have established that you lied when you wrote that the IPCC Head said there has been no global warming since 1998.

Your link showed Pachauri saying the exact opposite

Pachauri said a stall in average global surface temperature would need to last “30 to 40 years at least” to break the long-term global warming trend.”

Did Pachauri say there was warming??...NO

What did he say he said there was a STALL, where temperatures in the last 15 years the same as 1998 in value?

NO they were lower LOWER, LOWER.

Just because Pachauri cant bring himself to say LOWER and instead called it STALL, we all know what it means.

Just look at their graph, and the met office's too BTW.

He confirmed that there had been no warming but added that it must continue for 30 odd years or so, well how many years has it been since 1998?

Half way there dont you think?

But hold on a minute if there's no warming what's that called.

What does this graph show...stalling..warming or cooling???

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We have established that you lied when you wrote that Hansen said there has been no global warming since 1998.

Your link referred to a paper showing Hansen saying the exact opposite:

We conclude that background global warming is continuing, consistent with the known planetary energy imbalance, even though it is likely that the slowdown in climate forcing growth rate contributed to the recent apparent standstill in global temperature

You are still yet to explain to us:
Why have the oceans continued to warm if there has been no warming since the year 1998?
Why has global glacial mass balance continued to decrease if there has been no warming since the year 1998?
Why has the arctic ice cap continued to melt if there has been no warming since the year 1998?
Why has sea level continued to rise if there has been no warming since the year 1998?

All you have show us are some graphs showing a very high average global surface temperature in 1998 (according to one data set - others show 2005 or 2010 to be the warmest year), and every year subsequent to that being warmer than the long term average - more compelling evidence that the planet is clearly and unabiguously warming.

Don't you think it is about time you apologised for telling lies to the forum and stopped mindlessly repeating the silly opinion of a Daily Mail columnist?

You should apologise for making a dick of yourself, but if thats what you want be my guest.

Now about Hansen whats he exactly saying??

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We conclude that background global warming is continuing, consistent with the known planetary energy imbalance, even though it is likely that the slowdown in climate forcing growth rate contributed to the recent apparent standstill in global temperature

Global warming is continueing in the back ground even though temperatures are droping..............??!!

Which climate forcing is he talking about...???!!! someone should remind him that one third of ALL manmade CO2 emissions have gone into our atmosphere AFTER the year 1998.

Which forcing has slowed down, which drop in growth rate affected the temperature to go down instead of up as his has been saying it would.....????????

Oceans have not been warming..........??????

We have emprical data that says so.

Now who is lieing and who is telling the truth.

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Re: H2O decreasing while CO2 rises! Oops
Reply #76 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:19pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:41pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

There has been no warming dude.

So - we have established that you lied when you wrote that the IPCC Head said there has been no global warming since 1998.

Your link showed Pachauri saying the exact opposite

Pachauri said a stall in average global surface temperature would need to last “30 to 40 years at least” to break the long-term global warming trend.”

Did Pachauri say there was warming??...NO

Actually - he did.

Pachauri said a stall in average global surface temperature would need to last “30 to 40 years at least” to break the long-term global warming trend.”

There is a long term warming trend.
Yes - it is acknowledged that average surface temperature, while being the warmest ever recorded - has not increased in the last few years - but there is more to global warming than just the surface temperature.

The oceans continue to warm
the arctic ice cap continues to decline
Sea level continues to rise
Global glacial mass balance continues to decline.

There is an increasing amount of heat in the system
THe earth continues to warm

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

What did he say he said there was a STALL, where temperatures in the last 15 years the same as 1998 in value?

There is more to global warming than just the surface temperature.

The oceans continue to warm
the arctic ice cap continues to decline
Sea level continues to rise
Global glacial mass balance continues to decline.

There is an increasing amount of heat in the system
THe earth continues to warm

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

NO they were lower LOWER, LOWER.

Just because Pachauri cant bring himself to say LOWER and instead called it STALL, we all know what it means.

Just look at their graph, and the met office's too BTW.

There is more to global warming than just the surface temperature.

The oceans continue to warm
the arctic ice cap continues to decline
Sea level continues to rise
Global glacial mass balance continues to decline.

There is an increasing amount of heat in the system
THe earth continues to warm

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

He confirmed that there had been no warming but added that it must continue for 30 odd years or so, well how many years has it been since 1998?

There you go - telling lies again.

He did not confirm "there had been no warming"
He said the exact opposite.

You really need to learn how to comprehend what you read.

He said:
a stall in average global surface temperature would need to last “30 to 40 years at least” to break the long-term global warming trend.”[/i]

Just because one part of the earth has not shown a large increase in temperature is the past few years does not mean the earth is not warming.

There is more to global warming than just the surface temperature.

The oceans continue to warm
the arctic ice cap continues to decline
Sea level continues to rise
Global glacial mass balance continues to decline.

There is an increasing amount of heat in the system
THe earth continues to warm

What don't you understand about this?

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Reply #77 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:31pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

Half way there dont you think?

But hold on a minute if there's no warming what's that called.

What does this graph show...stalling..warming or cooling???

http://i46.tinypic.com/2055ve8.png

It would help if you gave some reference to what the graph actually is - but assuming that the y axis is temperature anomaly and every single point on the graph is positive - then that would imply very clear and unambiguous warming

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

You should apologise for making a dick of yourself, but if thats what you want be my guest.

I apologise for making a dick of myself.
Now - explain to us why you feel the need to tell lies.

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

Now about Hansen whats he exactly saying??

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We conclude that background global warming is continuing, consistent with the known planetary energy imbalance, even though it is likely that the slowdown in climate forcing growth rate contributed to the recent apparent standstill in global temperature

Global warming is continueing in the back ground even though temperatures are droping..............??!!

No - he is saying global warming is continueing in the back ground even though average global surface temperatures have reached an apparent standstill.

There is more to global warming than just the surface temperature.

The oceans continue to warm
the arctic ice cap continues to decline
Sea level continues to rise
Global glacial mass balance continues to decline.

There is an increasing amount of heat in the system
The earth continues to warm

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

Which climate forcing is he talking about...???!!! someone should remind him that one third of ALL manmade CO2 emissions have gone into our atmosphere AFTER the year 1998.

He is probably talking about the decrease in solar irradience in recent years. Or an increase in aerosols
Why don't you read his paper and find out?

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

Which forcing has slowed down, which drop in growth rate affected the temperature to go down instead of up as his has been saying it would.....????????

Maybe solar forcing? Maybe an increase in aerosols
Why don't you read his paper and find out?

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

Oceans have not been warming..........??????

Yes - they have.
http://www.csiro.au/en/Portals/Media/Rapid-upper-ocean-warming-linked-to-declini...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130804144456.htm

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

We have emprical data that says so.

No. You don't.
You have a blog from a children's TV presenter.
Big difference

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

Now who is lieing and who is telling the truth.

You are lying.

You claimed that the IPCC said that there had been "no warning for 15 years"
This is clearly and blatantly a lie.

THe head of the IPCC said the exact opposite. He said the the current stall in average global surface temperature would have to last for 30 or 40 years before you could start to think that there had been no warming.

The oceans continue to warm
the arctic ice cap continues to decline
Sea level continues to rise
Global glacial mass balance continues to decline.

There is an increasing amount of heat in the system
The earth continues to warm.

I am happy to try to explain to you anything you don't understand here.

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Reply #78 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:41pm

What a whole lot of waffle i'm not even going to respond.

Let the readers make up their own minds.

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'Nothing off-limits' in climate debate

THE UN's climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain's Met Office, but said it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" to break the long-term global warming trend.

Dr Pachauri, the chairman of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said that open discussion about controversial science and politically incorrect views was an essential part of tackling climate change.

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Surprise Surprise... Global warming has stalled, admits Met Office

THE great global warming debate was blown wide open again yesterday when the Met Office predicted cooler than expected temperatures for the next five years.

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The Met Office, one of the top cheerleaders for the man-made climate change camp, said global temperatures are likely to be lower than it forecast in December 2011.

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Leading global warming scienstist agree there has been no warming in the last 16 years, Hansen, Sato and Ruedy

The graph is self explanatory

Maybe you understand IPCC graphs better,

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/23/burt-rutan-this-says-it-all-and-says-it-cl...

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Reply #79 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:56pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

What a whole lot of waffle i'm not even going to respond.

Yes. That is what most people do when they have been caught red-handed lying.

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

Let the readers make up their own minds.

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'Nothing off-limits' in climate debate

THE UN's climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain's Met Office, but said it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" to break the long-term global warming trend.

Dr Pachauri, the chairman of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said that open discussion about controversial science and politically incorrect views was an essential part of tackling climate change.

Yes. You told a lie.

You claimed that the IPCC said that there had been "no warming for 15 years"
As you have just shown us again - he said the exact opposite:

THE UN's climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain's Met Office, but said it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" to break the long-term global warming trend.

The oceans continue to warm
the arctic ice cap continues to decline
Sea level continues to rise
Global glacial mass balance continues to decline.

There is an increasing amount of heat in the system
The earth continues to warm.

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

Surprise Surprise... Global warming has stalled, admits Met Office

THE great global warming debate was blown wide open again yesterday when the Met Office predicted cooler than expected temperatures for the next five years.

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The Met Office, one of the top cheerleaders for the man-made climate change camp, said global temperatures are likely to be lower than it forecast in December 2011.

Yes - but the Met Office did not say that there had been "no warming for 15 years" - did they.

You told a lie.

The oceans continue to warm
the arctic ice cap continues to decline
Sea level continues to rise
Global glacial mass balance continues to decline.

There is an increasing amount of heat in the system
The earth continues to warm.

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

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Leading global warming scienstist agree there has been no warming in the last 16 years, Hansen, Sato and Ruedy

We have already established that Hansen said no such thing. You told a lie.

Hansen said:
We conclude that background global warming is continuing, consistent with the known planetary energy imbalance, even though it is likely that the slowdown in climate forcing growth rate contributed to the recent apparent standstill in global temperature

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

The graph is self explanatory

http://i46.tinypic.com/2055ve8.png

[/quote]
No - actually the graph is meaningless without some sort of information telling us what it is a graph of.

But assuming that the y-axis is temperature anomaly and every single point on the graph is positive - then that would imply very clear and unambiguous warming.

Do you know what "temperature anomaly" means"

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Reply #81 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:03pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 7:00pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

Maybe you understand IPCC graphs better,

http://i45.tinypic.com/zwi8gh.png

Could you show us the reference to that graph in any IPCC publication please?

Or are you lying again?

Yeah sure i just got on this forum and i would lie to everyone around here.

Are you sure your not a liar, after all liars think everyone else is a liar too, dont they. Tongue

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/23/burt-rutan-this-says-it-all-and-says-it-cl...

Is it an IPCC graph probably not, i thought it may have been because they placed that title across it.

Tried to find it in IPCC data sets no luck.

I could be wrong.....dont know.

Which in that case we can refer to

There can be no descrepancy about this graph.

The Earth is COOLING
get it through your thick skull.

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Reply #82 - Aug 8^th, 2013 at 6:29am

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

There can be no descrepancy about this graph.
http://i46.tinypic.com/2055ve8.png

What is that a graph of?
Why are there no titles?
No units?
No description?
No reference?

Although - assuming that the y-axis is temperature anomaly and every single point on the graph is positive - then that would imply very clear and unambiguous warming.

Do you know what "temperature anomaly" means"

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

The Earth is COOLING
get it through your thick skull.

You are still yet to explain to us:
Why have the oceans continued to warm if the earth is "cooling"
Why has global glacial mass balance continued to decrease if the earth is "cooling"
Why has the arctic ice cap continued to melt if the earth is "cooling"
Why has sea level continued to rise if the earth is "cooling"

And - assuming your graph is showing temperature anomaly somewhere - how can the earth be cooling if every single one of the past 14 years has a positive temperature anomaly over some long term average?

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Reply #83 - Aug 8^th, 2013 at 6:35am

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

Is it an IPCC graph probably not, i thought it may have been because they placed that title across it.

Tried to find it in IPCC data sets no luck.

I could be wrong.....dont know.

You are.

You told a lie when you said it was an IPCC graph.
It isn't.
Just another lie from you.

Just as you told a lie when you said that the Head of the IPCC said there had been "no warming for 15 years". As we now all know - he said the exact opposite. He said it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" of stable average surface temperature to break the long-term global warming trend. You told a lie.

And just as you told a lie when you said that Hansen said there had been "no warming for 15 years". As we now all know - he said the exact opposite. He said: "We conclude that background global warming is continuing, consistent with the known planetary energy imbalance, even though it is likely that the slowdown in climate forcing growth rate contributed to the recent apparent standstill in global temperature" You told a lie.

Doesn't it bother you that you are have to tell lies like this to try and make an argument?
Why can't you try telling the truth?
See how that goes?

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Reply #85 - Aug 8^th, 2013 at 9:42am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 6:29am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

There can be no descrepancy about this graph.
http://i46.tinypic.com/2055ve8.png

What is that a graph of?
Why are there no titles?
No units?
No description?
No reference?

Although - assuming that the y-axis is temperature anomaly and every single point on the graph is positive - then that would imply very clear and unambiguous warming.

Do you know what "temperature anomaly" means"

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

The Earth is COOLING
get it through your thick skull.

You are still yet to explain to us:
Why have the oceans continued to warm if the earth is "cooling"
Why has global glacial mass balance continued to decrease if the earth is "cooling"
Why has the arctic ice cap continued to melt if the earth is "cooling"
Why has sea level continued to rise if the earth is "cooling"

And - assuming your graph is showing temperature anomaly somewhere - how can the earth be cooling if every single one of the past 14 years has a positive temperature anomaly over some long term average?

Are you trolling...?????

Its very typical of warmists to do so when they haven't got a leg to stand on...!!!

You act as though your very smart, yet you cannot read a graph..?????

Like i said its self explanatory and it even tells you where to find it.

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Reply #86 - Aug 8^th, 2013 at 10:03am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 6:35am:

You are.

I could be on that one.....i honestly dont know...?

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You told a lie when you said it was an IPCC graph.
It isn't.
Just another lie from you.

True i dont whether it is or not, i assumed it was.

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Just as you told a lie when you said that the Head of the IPCC said there had been "no warming for 15 years".

This is where you come unstuck, the head of the IPCC said there had been no warming for the last 15 years, he aknowledged it.

So if there has been no warming what else could it be, does heat STALL well not in my books.

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As we now all know - he said the exact opposite. He said it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" of stable average surface temperature to break the long-term global warming trend. You told a lie.

Didn't lie, we have already had 15 years of no warming half way there.

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And just as you told a lie when you said that Hansen said there had been "no warming for 15 years". As we now all know - he said the exact opposite. He said: "We conclude that background global warming is continuing, consistent with the known planetary energy imbalance, even though it is likely that the slowdown in climate forcing growth rate contributed to the recent apparent standstill in global temperature" You told a lie.

What does the recent apparent stand still mean in your books?

Does heat stand still......????

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Doesn't it bother you that you are have to tell lies like this to try and make an argument?

I'm not telling lies champ, like all the global warming religion zealots as soon as you feel the pressure you stop talking about the science and go for the character attack.

Bring it on dude....???????

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Why can't you try telling the truth?
See how that goes?

The truth is today we have some of the coldest temperatures we have ever had on Earth, we also have one of the lowest amounts of CO2 in our atmosphere that we have ever had.

The oceans are not heating as 3000 buoys all over the world keep telling every 2 weeks or so when they surface from a dive of about 2000 metres and give us the temperature of the ocean.

CO2 has never driven climate change here on Earth, look to our history for that when we had 7000ppm actually life flourished when we has 20 times the CO2 we have today.

Weather baloons and satelitte data have failed to find the computer simulated model's hot spot in the tropopause its just not there.

This fact alone in the old days when scientists worked for the love of science and not the love of money wouid have been enough to have the hypothesis of AGW discarded into the rubbish bin.

We all know that 95% of the Earth's greenhouse effect is from water vapour, all other green house gases make up the remaining %5.

Problem for bankers with that is they cant tax you on water can they...????.......or can they...?????

Do you want a water vapour tax too.....???

The bankers will create a $2 trillion dollar market tradign carbon credits, when this happens cleaning up manmade CO2 emissions will go on the back burner.

My suppa your suppa and any other investments will find their way into this market.

And once again there will be booms and busts in accordance with there strategies.

That is the truth.

In November 2010, German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer stated that climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection.

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"Ottmar Edinhofer stated

But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this.

One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."

http://www.hotheads.com.au/carbon%20tax%20scam.htm

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"International carbon markets will cover billions of consumers this decade. Ask the bankers at your table whether they want Australia to clip that ticket. We’re going to help them get their share." Julia Gillard

http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/speech-business-council-australia-dinner

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Reply #87 - Aug 8^th, 2013 at 9:23pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

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Just as you told a lie when you said that the Head of the IPCC said there had been "no warming for 15 years".

This is where you come unstuck, the head of the IPCC said there had been no warming for the last 15 years, he aknowledged it.
...

Where and when? If your assertion is true, then you'll have no difficulty linking to where the statement is recorded. Repeating an assertion doesn't validate it.

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# wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 9:23pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

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Just as you told a lie when you said that the Head of the IPCC said there had been "no warming for 15 years".

This is where you come unstuck, the head of the IPCC said there had been no warming for the last 15 years, he aknowledged it.
...

Where and when? If your assertion is true, then you'll have no difficulty linking to where the statement is recorded. Repeating an assertion doesn't validate it.

Scroll up and see.

Its also all over the interenet.

Not hard to find at all.

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