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US - calls for “increased surveillance” of Muslims
Apr 21^st, 2013 at 3:43pm

Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) calls for “increased surveillance” of Muslims

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GOP lawmaker calls for 'increased surveillance' of Muslims after attack

By Julian Pecquet - 04/19/13 05:02 PM ET

Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) called for “increased surveillance” of Muslims on Friday, saying the Boston Marathon bombing suspects' links to Chechnya represented a “new front” in the war on terror.

“Police have to be in the community, they have to build up as many sources as they can, and they have to realize that the threat is coming from the Muslim community and increase surveillance there,” the chairman of the House subcommittee on Counterterrorism and Intelligence told National Review. “We can’t be bound by political correctness. I think we need more police and more surveillance in the communities where the threat is coming from.”

.......King acknowledged that, so far, there's no evidence that the attackers were anything more than disaffected youth who self-radicalized.

“There is a question as to whether these two on their own could have done all that's been done,” he said. “But the fact is right now there's no evidence at all” of a wider threat.

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/295079-gop-lawmaker-calls-for-...

Is this justified ???

Won't the moslem community in the U.S. be offended, at this slur upon all decent - America loving - moslems ???

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Reply #1 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 4:13pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 3:43pm:

... Is this justified ??? ...

Is the creation of a 'Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad' in this country unjustified? If I remember correctly, there were bellows from the 'usual suspects' within the Muslim community that this type of dedicated task-force was discriminatory.

Well of course it's discriminatory! It focuses on specific groups that have been proven to engage in criminal activity.

There's also an Asian Crime Squad. Where's the outrage about that? There's also a Drug Squad, Murder Squad -- et al.

Anyone consider the effectiveness of the vetting processes in place for our boat-people? How many Muslims there?

To ignore the potential dangers of such ethnic groups is to accept the damage that their criminals/radicals pose.

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Reply #2 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 7:47pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 3:43pm:

... Is this justified ??? ...

Is the creation of a 'Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad' in this country unjustified? If I remember correctly, there were bellows from the 'usual suspects' within the Muslim community that this type of dedicated task-force was discriminatory.

Well of course it's discriminatory! It focuses on specific groups that have been proven to engage in criminal activity.

There's also an Asian Crime Squad. Where's the outrage about that? There's also a Drug Squad, Murder Squad -- et al.

Anyone consider the effectiveness of the vetting processes in place for our boat-people? How many Muslims there?

To ignore the potential dangers of such ethnic groups is to accept the damage that their criminals/radicals pose.

No argument.

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"To ignore the potential dangers of such ethnic groups is to negligently accept/ignore the damage that their criminals/radicals pose."

Dictionary;
negligence = = failure to take proper care over something. breach of a duty of care which results in damage.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40735 Gender:	Re: US - calls for “increased surveillance” of Muslims Reply #3 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 7:54pm The attack came from islam against the west. Same as all the others. Destroy 15% of all mosques in the country for every terrorist attack.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: US - calls for “increased surveillance” of Muslims Reply #4 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:22pm just 15% sprint? Why so soft? You sound like a dirty terrorist sympathiser.
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Reply #5 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:44pm

Forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo.

Moslems/ISLAM and the values which Western societies cherish are incompatible.

Truth, justice, freedom.

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To moslems;
Coming into the country of their enemy and being able to abuse and exploit the rights and freedoms [which their enemy has 'gifted' to them], so as to undermine the rights and freedoms of their enemy, just proves to moslems that Allah is helping the moslems, to defeat their enemy!

That, is the moslem mind-set.

IMAGE.....

"Freedom of expression GO TO HELL!"
"Disbelievers must not be permitted to scrutinise or criticise ISLAM!"

To moslems, the Jihad against the enemies of Allah's religion, is never considered to be an immoral or hypocritical [or an ungrateful] act.

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: US - calls for “increased surveillance” of Muslims Reply #6 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:45pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:22pm: just 15% sprint? Why so soft? You sound like a dirty terrorist sympathiser. What about increased surveillance of foreign spies who film terrorist acts and then dance with joy?
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24815 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: US - calls for “increased surveillance” of Muslims Reply #7 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:06pm The United States needs to be monitored themselves. I have not known of a country that is so religiously venomous than the United States.
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Reply #8 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:12pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:44pm:

Forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo.

What about muslims who don't self declare? I heard that islamic law makes it ok for muslims to lie and deceive while in western countries. You have the best of intentions here Yadda, but I fear you are just being naive. Muslims could be anywhere, could be anyone - we must be proactive. Anyone who has even the slightest suspicion of being muslim must be rounded up and interned - along with all their relatives and associates. Thus while having these captives, whenever there is an act of terror (the term "islamic terror" is obviously redundant, as its a tautology), anywhere in the world we execute say 10 of these captives - women and children first. Moreover, every single symbol of islam - mosques, minarets, islamic schools - even halal signs, must be pulled down and destroyed.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:45pm:

What about increased surveillance of foreign spies who film terrorist acts and then dance with joy?

What about nuking Mecca at the first hint of euphoria being expressed over terrorist acts?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #9 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:44pm:

Forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo.

What about muslims who don't self declare?

Thats fine gandalf.

If any moslem [who has denied being a moslem], later commits [or it can be proved intended to commit] any act of sedition [against the state] WITH A MOSLEM INTENT, or any act of extreme violence [or it can be proved intended to commit such an act] WITH A MOSLEM INTENT,
then execute him/her, and his/her entire immediate family. ["Corruption of blood"]

i.e.
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Why didn't his immediate family expose his nefarious intentions [or his status as a self-declaring moslem, living among them], to authorities ?

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It can be assumed, because their [his family's] sympathies too, were with the moslem/ISLAM.

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WHAT IS THE PUNISHMENT FOR SEDITION AGAINST ISLAM, SANCTIONED IN THE KORAN;

"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."
Koran 33.60, 61

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Deuteronomy 19:16
If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #10 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 10:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:44pm:

Forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo.

What about muslims who don't self declare? I heard that islamic law makes it ok for muslims to lie and deceive while in western countries. You have the best of intentions here Yadda, but I fear you are just being naive. Muslims could be anywhere, could be anyone - we must be proactive. Anyone who has even the slightest suspicion of being muslim must be rounded up and interned - along with all their relatives and associates. Thus while having these captives, whenever there is an act of terror (the term "islamic terror" is obviously redundant, as its a tautology), anywhere in the world we execute say 10 of these captives - women and children first. Moreover, every single symbol of islam - mosques, minarets, islamic schools - even halal signs, must be pulled down and destroyed.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:45pm:

What about increased surveillance of foreign spies who film terrorist acts and then dance with joy?

What about nuking Mecca at the first hint of euphoria being expressed over terrorist acts?

....that sounds like a terrorist act - like the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

The USA could of course stop invading countries and thieving their resources, propping up dictatorships, opposing democratic progress and carrying out terrorism and crimes against humanity

But there isn't much profit in doing that is there Mr Gandalf

You should adhere to the Principle of Universality

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Reply #11 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 12:11am

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:39pm:

Deuteronomy 19:16

Thank you Yadda. In this desperate fight for civilization, we need learned scholars such as yourself to provide us with the doctrinal justification of our war.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 10:21pm:

The USA could of course stop invading countries and thieving their resources, propping up dictatorships, opposing democratic progress and carrying out terrorism and crimes against humanity

Chimp_Logic, surely you jest? Clearly you haven't seen Yadda's superior arguments. When you have beheading placards plus the views on LGBTs by Malaysian politicians as well as Deuteronomy quotes in the one post - all other points of view are automatically rendered null and void.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #12 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 7:52am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 12:11am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:39pm:

Deuteronomy 19:16

Thank you Yadda. In this desperate fight for civilization, we need learned scholars such as yourself to provide us with the doctrinal justification of our war.

Thank you gandalf,

What should we who abhor ISLAM, do ?

Use fly spray, perhaps ??? Grin

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they must all be exterminated like cockroaches.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366057292/172#172i

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Or, should we infidels just surrender to the moslem armies [i.e. the Jihadits] ?

And submit ourselves to the mercy of moslem intents ?

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Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-p...

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Creed of the sword
September 23, 2006
...the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh.
...Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained[/u].....THE THIRD OPTION OF VIOLENCE AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS WAS ONLY A LAST RESORT, IF THEY REFUSED TO CONVERT OR SURRENDER PEACEFULLY TO THE ARMIES OF ISLAM.
...The resulting doctrine of war was described by the great medieval philosopher Ibn Khaldun: "[u]In the Muslim community, the holy war (jihad) is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and the (obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force." (The Muqaddimah)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/creed-of-the-sword/story-e6frg6n6-111111225...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #13 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 12:28pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 10:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:44pm:

Forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo.

What about muslims who don't self declare? I heard that islamic law makes it ok for muslims to lie and deceive while in western countries. You have the best of intentions here Yadda, but I fear you are just being naive. Muslims could be anywhere, could be anyone - we must be proactive. Anyone who has even the slightest suspicion of being muslim must be rounded up and interned - along with all their relatives and associates. Thus while having these captives, whenever there is an act of terror (the term "islamic terror" is obviously redundant, as its a tautology), anywhere in the world we execute say 10 of these captives - women and children first. Moreover, every single symbol of islam - mosques, minarets, islamic schools - even halal signs, must be pulled down and destroyed.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:45pm:

What about increased surveillance of foreign spies who film terrorist acts and then dance with joy?

What about nuking Mecca at the first hint of euphoria being expressed over terrorist acts?

....that sounds like a terrorist act - like the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

They should have just killed 10's of thousands the regular way, like Tokyo.

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Reply #14 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:38pm

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They should have just killed 10's of thousands the regular way, like Tokyo.

What about the holocaust? Christian Germany is said to have cooked six million jews. And what about christian europe? Not one christian country wanted the jews. They packed them off to Palestine & let the jews slaughter the muslims village by village and the ones who survived they locked them on a reservation and declared them persona non grata - Stateless.

This and uncountable atrocities like it is the trademark of the 'religion of love'.

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