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AaLF Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61 Gender:	Re: US - calls for “increased surveillance” of Muslims Reply #30 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 9:46pm Linyl, what war is undeclared?? The christians relentlessly bomb muslim mudbrick villages with their drones everyday. NGOs say 50 dead civilians for one freedom fighter are killed. Have you christians declared war on innocent civilian muslims & kill them daily?? YES / NO??
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Reply #31 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:05pm

AaLF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 9:46pm:

Linyl, what war is undeclared?? ...

I was rather hoping you'd ask that question.

Now, let's see. Mmmmmmmm, how about Islam against anyone between Australia and Zambia? Pick a letter from the alphabet and name the country. How's that for start?

AaLF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 9:46pm:

... The christians relentlessly bomb muslim mudbrick villages with their drones everyday. NGOs say 50 dead civilians for one freedom fighter are killed. Have you christians declared war on innocent civilian muslims & kill them daily?? YES / NO??

I'd have to say NO.

For sure there a number of Christian governments at war with various Islamic factions and Islamic governments at the moment.

But that is a far cry from the the blanket statement that Christendom has declared war on innocent Muslim civilians.

If we were to reverse that statement, would it not also be fair to say that Islam has not yet declared war on all those countries, where they are promoting Jihad and also engaged in killing innocent civilians irrespective of their religion?

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Reply #32 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:17pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 8:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 7:20pm:

Hey gandalf,

Can you think of any [political] motive, why surrounding Arab states would refuse citizenship to the poor 'stateless', 'Palestinians' ???

Hmmmm ?

No ?

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The Palestinian refugees held the UN responsible for ameliorating their condition; nevertheless, many Palestinians were unhappy with the treatment they were receiving from their Arab brethren. Some, like Palestinian nationalist leader Musa Alami were incredulous: "It is shameful that the Arab governments should prevent the Arab refugees from working in their countries and shut the doors in their faces and imprison them in camps" (Musa Alami, "The Lesson of Palestine," Middle East Journal, October 1949, p. 386). Most refugees, however, focused their discontentment on "the Zionists," whom they blamed for their predicament rather than the vanquished Arab armies.

http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=47015

AGAIN;

And why does the moslem ummah REFUSE to absorb the 'stateless Palestinians' ?

Don't their moslem brothers, have any love and compassion for their 'stateless Palestinians' brothers ?

Why not ???

I know!
Its coz there is not enough land in the Middle East that could accommodate the 'stateless Palestinians'.

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Reply #33 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:36pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:17pm:

...there are lots of maps one can take a close look at ...

There certainly are!

Take a look at one that shows Israel surrounded by Muslim lands.

Take a GOOD look at how much land Islam dominates.

But then, 'charity begins at home' is a Christian concept, is it not?

The 'tribes of Islam' are not known for their generosity, even among themselves.

The truth be known, the most likely reason that the US continually supports Israel is that represents the safest land-based airstrip and staging post in the Middle East. That, and the fact that a real war, which Israel can wage, will deprive them of all that oil forever. It'll be fused under molten sand for millennia.

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Reply #35 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:54am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:36pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:17pm:

...there are lots of maps one can take a close look at ...

There certainly are!

Take a look at one that shows Israel surrounded by Muslim lands.

Take a GOOD look at how much land Islam dominates.

But then, 'charity begins at home' is a Christian concept, is it not?

The 'tribes of Islam' are not known for their generosity, even among themselves.

The truth be known, the most likely reason that the US continually supports Israel is that represents the safest land-based airstrip and staging post in the Middle East. That, and the fact that a real war, which Israel can wage, will deprive them of all that oil forever. It'll be fused under molten sand for millennia.

Don't you christians feel any shame? Have you no fear of God? The genocide of south & central Amerika. The genocide of the north amerikan indians. The genocide of the jews & muslims in spain. The genocides in colonial Afrika & india. The genocide of the japanese. The holocaust. The genocide of vietnam. The sanction genocide of the iraqi children.

And now you gleefully threaten an arab genocide. Have not you read in your book if you even think about killing people it will be written for you that you committed the crime? - Jesus, Sermon on the Mount.

Have you no fear of God's promise??

All the muslims' have asked for is a state like that was given to the jews. Your bible says they too belong- see filisteens. Why such injustice??

I'm an old pensioner nowadays. but i remember the slaughter of the vietnamese. an old vietnamese couple live across from me. The wife's hands are horribly deformed at birth from agent orange. Its terrible what christians do. And now depleted uranium is deforming babies in Iraq for millennia to come.

and christians gleefully call for more genocide. Because two kids struck back. And killed two people. you lot are going to be in for a shock come the Day of Judgement unless you mend you genocidal ways.

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"They took the whole Palestinian Nation,
And locked us in this reservation....."

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Reply #36 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:58am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Tell me, good sir, since Islam is younger than Christendom, and currently considerably less enlightened - just what is the current total death toll of the 'Religion of Peace'?

Oh you really want to go there? Do you really want to compare the death toll of islam compared to christianity? Shall I remind you of the Incas, the Aztecs, the entire Indian population of North America, the Congo (arguably the greatest genocide the world has ever seen), countless other African nations - all as a result of the spread of christianity?

The history of the brutality of islam is a Sunday school picnic compared to the history of christianity.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #37 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:08am

AaLF wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:54am:

Don't you christians feel any shame? Have you no fear of God? The genocide of south & central Amerika. The genocide of the north amerikan indians. The genocide of the jews & muslims in spain. The genocides in colonial Afrika & india. The genocide of the japanese. The holocaust. The genocide of vietnam. The sanction genocide of the iraqi children.

And now you gleefully threaten an arab genocide. Have not you read in your book if you even think about killing people it will be written for you that you committed the crime? - Jesus, Sermon on the Mount.

Have you no fear of God's promise??

All the muslims' have asked for is a state like that was given to the jews. Your bible says they too belong- see filisteens. Why such injustice??

.....and christians gleefully call for more genocide.

Because two kids struck back.

And killed two people. you lot are going to be in for a shock come the Day of Judgement unless you mend you genocidal ways.

aalf said.....
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Have you no fear of God?

It is clearly moslems, who have no fear of God.

aalf said.....
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...two kids struck back.

Those 'two kids' are terrorists, and they attacked civilians [non-combatants].

aalf said.....
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And killed two people.

And those 'three people' were guilty infidels aalf. [they were innocent civilians, on a street - not combatants.]

aalf CONDEMNS ANYONE WHO KILLS OR INJURES ANY MOSLEM, WHILE TRYING TO DEFEND THEIR LIFE FROM A MOSLEM JIHADIST ATTACK.

BUT aalf SIDES WITH MOSLEMS, WHO OPENLY REFER TO 'DISBELIEVER' CIVILIANS, AS 'GUILTY PEOPLE', WHO DESERVE TO DIE, AT THE HAND OF MOSLEMS.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366162198/14#14

Yadda said;
"Dictionary,
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."

aalf replies....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366162198/2#2
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".........And the sooner the muslims return to their religion the better !!!"

AS PER;
In the UK, a moslem community leader speaking >> BEFORE << the London 7/7 Bus and Subway bombings....

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&on...

AND;

Speaking in the UK, publicly, AND THEN PRIVATELY, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.

"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html

You are a deceitful HYPOCRITE aalf.

aalf,

In this forum, you pretend

to care for the welfare of innocents, but you clearly justify the murder of innocents, by moslems.

".....two kids struck back. And killed two people."
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LISTEN UP FOLKS......
ISLAM PROMOTES THE USE OF TERRORISM, AS A LEGITIMATE WAY TO FURTHER MOSLEM AMBITIONS

'Religious' ISLAM sanctions the use of terror, as a 'means' of >> moslems << 'promoting' political ISLAM in the whole earth.

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

All moslems are going to HELL, for their lying and for their terrorism and for their murders.

Even Allah concedes that;

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily [God] knoweth all that ye did;"
Koran 16.27

"Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape."
Koran 4.120

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #38 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:22am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:58am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Tell me, good sir, since Islam is younger than Christendom, and currently considerably less enlightened - just what is the current total death toll of the 'Religion of Peace'?

Oh you really want to go there? Do you really want to compare the death toll of islam compared to christianity? Shall I remind you of the Incas, the Aztecs, the entire Indian population of North America, the Congo (arguably the greatest genocide the world has ever seen), countless other African nations - all as a result of the spread of christianity?

The history of the brutality of islam is a Sunday school picnic compared to the history of christianity.

Not really.

gandalf,

As should only be expected, you are engaging in just more, typical, moslem revision of history.

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Political Islam // Articles // Tears of Jihad

These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

Africa
Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.
120 million Africans

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/tears-of-jihad/

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #39 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:03am

the USA has carried out unprovoked attacks/invasions on 37 nations since the end of WW2 that has resulted in about 23 million civilian deaths.

The USA also has over 1000 military installations in 140+ countries all over the world and spends more on its military budget than the rest of the world combined.

I wonder where the threat to world peace is coming from?

I wonder who is terrorising the planet with its militarised corporate proxy wars?

Does anyone in here know the answer to these questions?

Gee, it must be a handful of radicals extremists hiding in caves and being funded by the USA - couldn't possibly be anyone else now could it ladies and gentlemen!

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Reply #40 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:06am

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:22am:

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East.

And the christian nations didn't engage in the slave trade?

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A database compiled in the late 1990s put the figure for the transatlantic slave trade at more than 11 million people. For a long time an accepted figure was 15 million, although this has in recent years been revised down. Most historians now agree that at least 12 million slaves left the continent between the 15th and 19th century,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade#Human_toll

So roughly the same number of slaves transported by both islam and christian Europe. Is it fair that the European enslavement resulted in roughly the same number of collateral deaths? Thus if we can conclude that 120 million people died as a result of the islamic slave trade, is the same figure a fair count of the European slave trade? If not, why not?

Add to that the Spanish conquest of South America - entire civilizations and populations wiped out; US anhialation of the North American inhabitants; anhialation and mass destruction of nations across central and southern Africa. Not to mention the christian's slaughter of each other - estimated 8 million during the 30 years war, French wars of religion in the 16th century, WWI and II etc etc.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #41 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:12am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:58am:

The history of the brutality of islam is a Sunday school picnic compared to the history of christianity.

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All African women are prostitutes, and the whole race of African men are abeed (slave) stock

Ibn Sina

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The Equator is inhabited by communities of blacks who may be numbered among the savage beasts. Their complexion and hair are burnt and they are physically and morally abnormal. Their brains almost boil from the sun's heat

Al-Dimashqi

http://arabslavetrade.com/

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #42 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15am

The so called Christians that you speak of don't really follow the Christian ethical and moral path now do they?

Remember, good old Adolf Hitler was also a devout Christian, and so was George Bush, Blair and Howard

That didn't stop these tyrannical monsters from waging wars that resulted in millions of deaths.

I really cant find anything in the Gospels that promotes war and violence. (the old testament is a different matter - but as we know only the Orthodox Jews exclusively adhere to the Old Testament (ie TOrah) and reject the Gospels and the way of little baby Jesus.

Most bankers claim to believe in a God as well (Christian or otherwise)

There is almost no correlation between what people claim to believe in and their actions!

I think they have a name for this in psychology/psychiatry - socio-psychopathy

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Reply #43 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:57am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15am:

The so called Christians that you speak of don't really follow the Christian ethical and moral path now do they?

.......I really cant find anything in the Gospels that promotes war and violence.

(the old testament is a different matter - but as we know only the Orthodox Jews exclusively adhere to the Old Testament (ie TOrah) and reject the Gospels and the way of little baby Jesus.

Yeah, thats right chimp.

When Christians kill others, they are going against their religion;

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Matthew 19:17
.....if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 12:18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

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But when moslems fights against disbelievers and kill them, they, are being good moslems.

Correct ?;

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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Hey chimp,

What does that phrase 'socio-psychopathy' mean again ???

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Reply #44 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 11:13am

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:57am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15am:

The so called Christians that you speak of don't really follow the Christian ethical and moral path now do they?

.......I really cant find anything in the Gospels that promotes war and violence.

(the old testament is a different matter - but as we know only the Orthodox Jews exclusively adhere to the Old Testament (ie TOrah) and reject the Gospels and the way of little baby Jesus.

Yeah, thats right chimp.

When Christians kill others, they are going against their religion;

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Matthew 19:17
.....if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 12:18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

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But when moslems fights against disbelievers and kill them, they, are being good moslems.

Correct ?;

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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Hey chimp,

What does that phrase 'socio-psychopathy' mean again ???

"socio-psychopathy' - you know exactly what it means - after all you base your daily diatribe upon the basic principles of socio-psychopathy and its evil priest worshipers

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