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Re: ALP Strategy - Post September defeat
Reply #15 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:59pm

good point perceptions,

abbott will face a HUGE task
campbell newman is very focused and very intelligent and very media savvy.
yet trying to fix the bligh mess is crueling him.

tony will be trying to unwind so much sh#t that i really think it may be beyond him.
the electorate are fickle and spoilt, the terms of trade appear to be worsening.
going to be a wild ride and with gillard gone, they just need to put someone in charge of labor with even a smattering of charisma. still this could be a challenge. if i was invited to a dinner party at the labor caucus, i'd slit my wrists rather than sit and endure 4 hours of conversation with any of the current brain dead numpties.
martin ferguson is the only one i would talk to and that would only be to ask him to pass me the salt

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Re: ALP Strategy - Post September defeat
Reply #16 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 2:53pm

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:27pm:

ALP Strategy - Post September defeat???

Simply wait!!!

If that is possible, without them continuing to destroy themselves, then they will be quite likely to be re-elected at the following Federal election, as the Public will again/still be looking for someone to blame, for the ongoing Economic problems!

While I agree, I don't know why. I've never had it so good.
Lowest interest rates Ive ever endured..check.
Plenty of work and happy with how much I'm earning....check.
Social issues like climate change at least being recognised.....check.
My son is getting a good education and we are well looked after via Medicare.....check.
We are not at war nor invading sovereign nations illegally.....check.
Looks pretty good from my end, what is so different for everyone else? Things could always be better, but I can't remember a time it was. I think Australians are just whiny little bitches, myself included.

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Re: ALP Strategy - Post September defeat
Reply #17 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 3:44pm

skippy. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 2:53pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:27pm:

ALP Strategy - Post September defeat???

Simply wait!!!

If that is possible, without them continuing to destroy themselves, then they will be quite likely to be re-elected at the following Federal election, as the Public will again/still be looking for someone to blame, for the ongoing Economic problems!

While I agree, I don't know why. I've never had it so good.
Lowest interest rates Ive ever endured..check.
Plenty of work and happy with how much I'm earning....check.
Social issues like climate change at least being recognised.....check.
My son is getting a good education and we are well looked after via Medicare.....check.
We are not at war nor invading sovereign nations illegally.....check.
Looks pretty good from my end, what is so different for everyone else? Things could always be better, but I can't remember a time it was. I think Australians are just whiny little bitches, myself included.

The following may assist, in realising some of the reasons, why you agree -
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366518191/42#42

In fact, the low interest rates is actually an indicator in itself, that things are not going too well. Whilst we (OZ) are very low, we are not as low as many other countries, where "official" rates are actually zero, have been for some time & look like staying there for quite some time.
Putting it mildly, THAT IS VERY, VERY UNUSUAL, & IT IS AN INDICATOR THAT THINGS ARE CROOK IN TULLAROOK!!

Btw, those same low interest rates are going to make life MORE DIFFICULT for many of the retiring Baby Boomers, as Share Markets come back down to earth & the Boomers incomes are severely impacted by the very low interest rates.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: ALP Strategy - Post September defeat Reply #18 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 5:43pm low interest rates are usually a sign of an economy in decline.
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Re: ALP Strategy - Post September defeat
Reply #19 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 5:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 5:43pm:

low interest rats are usually a sign of an economy in decline.

That's very good of you Longy, for agreeing with, what I had previously said!

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 3:44pm:

skippy. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 2:53pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:27pm:

ALP Strategy - Post September defeat???

Simply wait!!!

If that is possible, without them continuing to destroy themselves, then they will be quite likely to be re-elected at the following Federal election, as the Public will again/still be looking for someone to blame, for the ongoing Economic problems!

While I agree, I don't know why. I've never had it so good.
Lowest interest rates Ive ever endured..check.
Plenty of work and happy with how much I'm earning....check.
Social issues like climate change at least being recognised.....check.
My son is getting a good education and we are well looked after via Medicare.....check.
We are not at war nor invading sovereign nations illegally.....check.
Looks pretty good from my end, what is so different for everyone else? Things could always be better, but I can't remember a time it was. I think Australians are just whiny little bitches, myself included.

The following may assist, in realising some of the reasons, why you agree -
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366518191/42#42

In fact, the low interest rates is actually an indicator in itself, that things are not going too well. Whilst we (OZ) are very low, we are not as low as many other countries, where "official" rates are actually zero, have been for some time & look like staying there for quite some time.
Putting it mildly, THAT IS VERY, VERY UNUSUAL, & IT IS AN INDICATOR THAT THINGS ARE CROOK IN TULLAROOK!!

Btw, those same low interest rates are going to make life MORE DIFFICULT for many of the retiring Baby Boomers, as Share Markets come back down to earth & the Boomers incomes are severely impacted by the very low interest rates.

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Re: ALP Strategy - Post September defeat
Reply #20 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 5:57pm

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 5:43pm:

low interest rats are usually a sign of an economy in decline.

That's very good of you Longy, for agreeing with, what I had previously said!

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 3:44pm:

skippy. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 2:53pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:27pm:

ALP Strategy - Post September defeat???

Simply wait!!!

If that is possible, without them continuing to destroy themselves, then they will be quite likely to be re-elected at the following Federal election, as the Public will again/still be looking for someone to blame, for the ongoing Economic problems!

While I agree, I don't know why. I've never had it so good.
Lowest interest rates Ive ever endured..check.
Plenty of work and happy with how much I'm earning....check.
Social issues like climate change at least being recognised.....check.
My son is getting a good education and we are well looked after via Medicare.....check.
We are not at war nor invading sovereign nations illegally.....check.
Looks pretty good from my end, what is so different for everyone else? Things could always be better, but I can't remember a time it was. I think Australians are just whiny little bitches, myself included.

The following may assist, in realising some of the reasons, why you agree -
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366518191/42#42

In fact, the low interest rates is actually an indicator in itself, that things are not going too well. Whilst we (OZ) are very low, we are not as low as many other countries, where "official" rates are actually zero, have been for some time & look like staying there for quite some time.
Putting it mildly, THAT IS VERY, VERY UNUSUAL, & IT IS AN INDICATOR THAT THINGS ARE CROOK IN TULLAROOK!!

Btw, those same low interest rates are going to make life MORE DIFFICULT for many of the retiring Baby Boomers, as Share Markets come back down to earth & the Boomers incomes are severely impacted by the very low interest rates.

even you can occasionally be right, even if it isnt very often. Mind you, remember that Howard had near record low rates in a BOOMING economy which demonstrates that it isnt a hard-and-fast rule.

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Reply #21 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:04am

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I see no reason to stick with the status quo.

FYI the ALP hit the 39%2010 election primary mark for what was pretty much a draw.

This time around the draw mark is around 40% primary (based on analysis of distributions) and individual polling is drawing a very ugly picture for the ALP pretty much verified by three bad state elections.

Its a democracy and about 70% of the population are unhappy with the ALP in varying degrees.

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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: ALP Strategy - Post September defeat Reply #22 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:07am longweekend58 Actually relatively our interest rates are high. If you have higher interest rates you will attract money which is part of the reason our dollar is high. That said we have a 2 speed economy but overall it looks better as other economies are dead or dying.
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Reply #23 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:14am

perceptions_now

They need to do more than wait, that strategy with Abbott (wait till he implodes) has failed and will continue to fail.

The big long term issue with the ALP is the personnel are recruited from left wing think tanks which seems to be getting worse, this current ALP is far more left wing toxic than it was under Gough. A government needs to govern for all and the ALP needs to stop looking for celebrities and start grooming more ordinary people with balanced views from a broader cross section.

People are more focused on the $$ these days are have little to no time for discussions on ideological politics especially the left wing variety. The ALP started to evolve and now its gone backwards to pre 1970's and self mutilating in the process.

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Reply #24 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:32am

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:07am:

longweekend58

Actually relatively our interest rates are high.

If you have higher interest rates you will attract money which is part of the reason our dollar is high.

That said we have a 2 speed economy but overall it looks better as other economies are dead or dying.

Yea, not for long though. Unless our dollar drops and interest rates are bought in line with the rest of the world Australia WILL have a recession under an Abbott government. Well that's according to economists in a story in the Fairfax press this morning. Which is just one reason I can't see Abbott lasting more than one term. Australians are whiny little bitches and he will be blamed for the mess we are about to endue. Grin

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Reply #25 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:03am

skippy.

I guess your demonstrating your complete lack of economic understanding, its about supply and demand, outside of Australia the major economies are struggling hence we look good. Interest rates are not brought into line they are determined by the flow of money and available credit.

You can see all the things you like, if the economy picks up then interest rates will go up with employment and wage growth.

You are getting desperate.

My view is that he may suffer the same fate that Rudd did, given the poor performance of the ALP it may be a decade or 2 before the ALP will be competitive especially if they are following your thought processes ...... might even be a century or 2

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Reply #26 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:22am

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:03am:

skippy.

I guess your demonstrating your complete lack of economic understanding, 2

Hey. Sadfred, when you read my post for the FIRST time you will see I was referring to an article written by economists in the Fairfax press this morning. If you want to pretend you have a greater understanding than the professionals, go ahead, you'll just look like a bigger wanker than you already do. Shocked

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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: ALP Strategy - Post September defeat Reply #27 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:25am skippy. So why are you so ignorant on economics then ? Do you have comprehension problems as well ?
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Reply #28 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:00am

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:07am:

longweekend58

Actually relatively our interest rates are high.

If you have higher interest rates you will attract money which is part of the reason our dollar is high.

That said we have a 2 speed economy but overall it looks better as other economies are dead or dying.

By global standards our rates are high. I was referring to our own history of rate movements. Our higher rates help protect us from some of the storms ravaging other economies as well as proving the RBA with room to move in a recession.

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Reply #29 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:17am

longweekend58

The RBA seems to be ignored more so under the ALP then under the Coalition, what has changed is the money supply side which has increased the cost of doing business as well as the ALP being regarded as economic idiots by the various economic groups and traders.

This has come out as a symptom of the banks reacting slower to RBA interest rate movements and sometimes ignoring them altogether.

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