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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #105 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:58pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

You said it THOSE WHO CHOSE TO PAY MORE ... I've no problem with those chosing to pay more doing so ... it's your money, go for it. ... I have a problem with my tax dollars going toward you chosing to send your kids to private .... why should they? .

because if you don't then many of those private schools will raise their fees to the roof and the kids will be forced to go to public school in the area they live in! Which doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing!

It doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing ....

why don't you use your argument for the kids who's parents cannot afford private education? Are not their kids forced to school in the area they live? Should some have priority over others?

That's why they have public schools, for those parents who just can't afford it. And that's right, those parents really struggle, should everyone else also struggle?

the govt. shouldn't support any sort of class differentiation when it comes to kids ... all kids deserve the same treatment .... govt. has to provide an education system, if you say it isn't good enough for your kids and you want a fancier one, you pay for it,. Why should I?

You go tell it to those kids who don't know how to differentiate, kids with behavioral problems, kids from junkie families, etc. And I will see government taking the action on it. pfft. laughable. Do you really think parents would comply, kids would comply? You will never get it right if you continue provide support only for this kind of learning facilities. Australian population will degrade faster than is already predicted.

Ohh, so you think you deserve better than them because they come from a lower socioeconomic background or have other issues? The govt. does take action on it , my sister is a teacher in the public system and she specialises on problem kids, and with great results, the govt. could do more if it wasn't subsidising tennis courts and swimming pools for stuck up snobs.

I bet you just don't want to get their germs on your kids .....

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #106 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:01pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:55pm:

I would prefer to go to my school over yours"

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

John's admitted school in the public system packed with wogs in NSW in his opinion is as good as my private school in the UK which has Prime Ministers in its alumni and Royalty attendees.

and in your highly edumacated opinion, those two comments say the same thing?

Grin

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #108 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:03pm So for the record you are stating your schooling IS WORSE than mine. Yet you would prefer that? Sorry, I was actually trying to assume you had SOME logic in your thinking.
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #109 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:06pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

...duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation, Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!! A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.

Hi Torpedo,
I agree,
it really annoys me when any politician stands on their soap box
& makes some pronouncement about say a new $ zillion scheme.

With what money?

They make promises with money they will borrow - money we don't have.

It's like some drunken loser standing outside a pub
promising everyone a drink - when they have no money.

Tony & JuLiar do it at least once per week.

well, it's typical for left wingers. I just don't understand why so many people buy it today, don't we all already know some history? It's like stepping on the rake over and over and over

Hi Torpedo,
It's more than just left wingers like that Swan & JuLiar.

Be prepared for a whole swathe of Tony promises this year for the election.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #110 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:06pm

Taxes should be spent on education for Australia's children.

Every child in Australia should receive the same funding.

Then private schools should be able to charge fees on top of that funding.

Therefore parents are seeing their tax money go to their children and also paying more to ensure their child gets a head start over the public kids.

At the end of the day, life is a competition and you get ahead at the expense of others.
That's how it is.

I should not spend taxes - see it go to other kids - then not have my children see any of it because they are privately educated.

Nope.
Fortunately thats not how it works anyway.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #111 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:10pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:03pm:

So for the record you are stating your schooling IS WORSE than mine.

Yet you would prefer that?

Cheesy

Sorry, I was actually trying to assume you had SOME logic in your thinking.

I haven't made any comment about what school is better or worse ... to do so I would need to attend your school before being able to make a valid comparison ....

what i said was I prefer my school because it wasn't full of d1ckheads like you ..... what part of that do you struggle to understand exactly?

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #112 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:10pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

You said it THOSE WHO CHOSE TO PAY MORE ... I've no problem with those chosing to pay more doing so ... it's your money, go for it. ... I have a problem with my tax dollars going toward you chosing to send your kids to private .... why should they? .

because if you don't then many of those private schools will raise their fees to the roof and the kids will be forced to go to public school in the area they live in! Which doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing!

It doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing ....

why don't you use your argument for the kids who's parents cannot afford private education? Are not their kids forced to school in the area they live? Should some have priority over others?

That's why they have public schools, for those parents who just can't afford it. And that's right, those parents really struggle, should everyone else also struggle?

the govt. shouldn't support any sort of class differentiation when it comes to kids ... all kids deserve the same treatment .... govt. has to provide an education system, if you say it isn't good enough for your kids and you want a fancier one, you pay for it,. Why should I?

You go tell it to those kids who don't know how to differentiate, kids with behavioral problems, kids from junkie families, etc. And I will see government taking the action on it. pfft. laughable. Do you really think parents would comply, kids would comply? You will never get it right if you continue provide support only for this kind of learning facilities. Australian population will degrade faster than is already predicted.

Ohh, so you think you deserve better than them because they come from a lower socioeconomic background or have other issues? The govt. does take action on it , my sister is a teacher in the public system and she specialises on problem kids, and with great results, the govt. could do more if it wasn't subsidising tennis courts and swimming pools for stuck up snobs.

I bet you just don't want to get their germs on your kids .....

what's wrong with me having to choose not to be around junkies or idiots? If they have no control over their lives (which is mostly the case), why should I yield? I worked hard, I study, I try to stay on top of things, yes, I don't want to mix in with those who choose to drink and smoke, and turn their and their kid's lives into pigs lifestyle...
Let's just take back the money which was spent on useless crap in the last 5 years and return to Australian education instead. That'll be fair.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #113 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:06pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

...duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation, Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!! A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.

Hi Torpedo,
I agree,
it really annoys me when any politician stands on their soap box
& makes some pronouncement about say a new $ zillion scheme.

With what money?

They make promises with money they will borrow - money we don't have.

It's like some drunken loser standing outside a pub
promising everyone a drink - when they have no money.

Tony & JuLiar do it at least once per week.

well, it's typical for left wingers. I just don't understand why so many people buy it today, don't we all already know some history? It's like stepping on the rake over and over and over

Hi Torpedo,
It's more than just left wingers like that Swan & JuLiar.

Be prepared for a whole swathe of Tony promises this year for the election.

Yeah, I just don't know... and at the back there is Green mess. Geez

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74520 Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #114 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:12pm Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:10pm: what's wrong with me having to choose not to be around junkies or idiots nothing, that is your choice and I would even commend you for it, it sounds like a wise choice ...just don't expect tax payers to pay for it.
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #115 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:15pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:12pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:10pm:

what's wrong with me having to choose not to be around junkies or idiots

nothing, that is your choice and I would even commend you for it, it sounds like a wise choice ...just don't expect tax payers to pay for it.

that's odd, you expect taxpayers to pay for junkies instead? Those who choose to ruin their own lives. that's fair Cheesy

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Reply #116 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:19pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:12pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:10pm:

what's wrong with me having to choose not to be around junkies or idiots

nothing, that is your choice and I would even commend you for it, it sounds like a wise choice ...just don't expect tax payers to pay for it.

that's odd, you expect taxpayers to pay for junkies instead? Those who choose to ruin their own lives. that's fair Cheesy

no ... i expect the govt. to provide the same standards to all the kids, if you want higher standards than those provided by the govt, it is up to you to pay .... ... if they decide to do drugs that is up to them, and as you should pay for your choices, they will pay for theirs. Or perhaps you think the govt. should subsidies their heroin?

By the way, if you think ther are no drugs in private schools I would sugest you need to wake up to the truth. There are junkies everywhere.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #117 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:19pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:12pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:10pm:

what's wrong with me having to choose not to be around junkies or idiots

nothing, that is your choice and I would even commend you for it, it sounds like a wise choice ...just don't expect tax payers to pay for it.

that's odd, you expect taxpayers to pay for junkies instead? Those who choose to ruin their own lives. that's fair Cheesy

how so?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #118 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:21pm Kid at my school got kicked out for dealing heroin. His dad - a Conservative MP - donated to the new gym we had and hey presto there he is next term. No drugs this time though. That's how we roll.
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #119 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:23pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:21pm:

Kid at my school got kicked out for dealing heroin.

His dad - a Conservative MP - donated to the new gym we had and hey presto there he is next term.
No drugs this time though.

That's how we roll.

Dear Andrei,
stop spreading malicious gossip on the internet.

forgiven

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Question: Should the GST rise to 15% to stop Govt. bankruptcy?
yes 4 (21.1%) no 14 (73.7%) not sure 1 (5.3%) Total votes: 19 « Created by: Bobby. on: Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm »