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Question: Should the GST rise to 15% to stop Govt. bankruptcy?

yes    
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no    
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not sure    
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Total votes: 19
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Reply #120 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:28pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:21pm:
Kid at my school got kicked out for dealing heroin.

His dad - a Conservative MP - donated to the new gym we had and hey presto there he is next term.
No drugs this time though.

That's how we roll.

thanks for proving my point.

See Torpedo, at least in a public school, your kids know who the junkies are ... if you teach them and  raise them right they should make the right choices ...
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Reply #121 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:29pm
 
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Reply #122 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:29pm
 
Bobby - the "schoolkid" would now be about 32 or 33.

Pretty sure I am not going to get him kicked out now.
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Reply #123 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:30pm
 
WA will not vote for an increase in GST, not while we are getting so little of it back.
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Reply #124 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:31pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:28pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:21pm:
Kid at my school got kicked out for dealing heroin.

His dad - a Conservative MP - donated to the new gym we had and hey presto there he is next term.
No drugs this time though.

That's how we roll.

thanks for proving my point.

See Torpedo, at least in a public school, your kids know who the junkies are ... if you teach them and  raise them right they should make the right choices ...



You don't think we didn't know who were the dealers?

I could have got any type of drug I wanted - Heroin, Special K, Ecstasy, Cocaine, you name it.

We were rich kids, thats how it works.

Hence my point - public and private. Don't differentiate.
Every kid gets the same.
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Reply #125 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:32pm
 
miketrees wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:30pm:
WA will not vote for an increase in GST, not while we are getting so little of it back.


when mining boom is over and WA becomes dependant on the eastern states again, it will jump when told too just as it did in the past.
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Reply #126 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:34pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:28pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:21pm:
Kid at my school got kicked out for dealing heroin.

His dad - a Conservative MP - donated to the new gym we had and hey presto there he is next term.
No drugs this time though.

That's how we roll.

thanks for proving my point.

See Torpedo, at least in a public school, your kids know who the junkies are ... if you teach them and  raise them right they should make the right choices ...



You don't think we didn't know who were the dealers?

I could have got any type of drug I wanted - Heroin, Special K, Ecstasy, Cocaine, you name it.

We were rich kids, thats how it works.

Hence my point - public and private. Don't differentiate.
Every kid gets the same.


Explain it to Torpedo ... she seems to think there are no drugs in private schools ..... that was her whole argument for funding private schools ...

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Reply #127 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:52pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:12pm:
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:10pm:
what's wrong with me having to choose not to be around junkies or idiots


nothing, that is your choice and I would even commend you for it, it sounds like a wise choice  ...just don't expect tax payers to pay for it.

that's odd, you expect taxpayers to pay for junkies instead? Those who choose to ruin their own lives. that's fair  Cheesy


no ... i expect the govt. to provide the same standards to all the kids, if you want higher standards than those provided by the govt, it is up to you to pay  .... ... if they decide to do drugs that is up to them, and as you should pay for your choices, they will pay for theirs. Or perhaps you think the govt. should subsidies their heroin?

By the way, if you think ther are no drugs in private schools I would sugest you need to wake up to the truth. There are junkies everywhere.

Well, the government is providing equal benefits, except private schools have additional fees, and most of the time it's worthwhile, so those parents who can prefer to send them private, should be able to pay extra and send private, and the government is doing the right thing (for once) providing equal support for both organisations. Those parents who can't afford, don't want to, whether in principle, or whether they are happy where they are, can go into public school.
By the way, if you think that every private school is posh and luxury you are delusional. There are many that don't have the facilities, but better teaching approach, better social environment, and only because of this, and no other privileges, parents sacrifice their finances.
Most parents save on groceries and holidays, and other luxuries, just so their kids are happy where they are.
So if you stop the private, the teachers would most likely retrain for a new profession. And all we'll see is more useless idiots taking more places in those public schools teaching our kids.
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Reply #128 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:56pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote Today at 10:21pm:
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Kid at my school got kicked out for dealing heroin.

His dad - a Conservative MP - donated to the new gym we had and hey presto there he is next term.
No drugs this time though.

That's how we roll.



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Dear Andrei,
stop spreading malicious gossip on the internet.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:29pm:
Bobby - the "schoolkid" would now be about 32 or 33.

Pretty sure I am not going to get him kicked out now.


Dear Andrei,
you are still spreading malicious gossip  -
for what reason - I do not know.

What surprises me is that your post is anti-conservative.

Have you now gone to the left side?

master Light did say that changes were upon us

in love and light

namaste
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Reply #129 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:56pm
 
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:52pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:12pm:
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:10pm:
what's wrong with me having to choose not to be around junkies or idiots


nothing, that is your choice and I would even commend you for it, it sounds like a wise choice  ...just don't expect tax payers to pay for it.

that's odd, you expect taxpayers to pay for junkies instead? Those who choose to ruin their own lives. that's fair  Cheesy


no ... i expect the govt. to provide the same standards to all the kids, if you want higher standards than those provided by the govt, it is up to you to pay  .... ... if they decide to do drugs that is up to them, and as you should pay for your choices, they will pay for theirs. Or perhaps you think the govt. should subsidies their heroin?

By the way, if you think ther are no drugs in private schools I would sugest you need to wake up to the truth. There are junkies everywhere.

Well, the government is providing equal benefits, except private schools have additional fees, and most of the time it's worthwhile, so those parents who can prefer to send them private, should be able to pay extra and send private, and the government is doing the right thing (for once) providing equal support for both organisations. Those parents who can't afford, don't want to, whether in principle, or whether they are happy where they are, can go into public school.
By the way, if you think that every private school is posh and luxury you are delusional. There are many that don't have the facilities, but better teaching approach, better social environment, and only because of this, and no other privileges, parents sacrifice their finances.
Most parents save on groceries and holidays, and other luxuries, just so their kids are happy where they are.
So if you stop the private, the teachers would most likely retrain for a new profession. And all we'll see is more useless idiots taking more places in those public schools teaching our kids.


It;s called sacrifice ... and I commend you for sacrificing for your kids ,..... just don't expect me to sacrifice for YOUR kids.
I've never said stop the private, I simply said that if you want it, you pay for it ... you really think if govt. pulls funding private education stops? we are one of the few countries to subsidies private education and yet it exists in many other countries.
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Reply #130 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:56pm:
Have you now gone to the left side?


Geez I hope not, he'll make the left look bad.
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Reply #131 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 11:00pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:12pm:
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:10pm:
what's wrong with me having to choose not to be around junkies or idiots


nothing, that is your choice and I would even commend you for it, it sounds like a wise choice  ...just don't expect tax payers to pay for it.

that's odd, you expect taxpayers to pay for junkies instead? Those who choose to ruin their own lives. that's fair  Cheesy


how so?

how so what? how so they turn their lives upside down? Lets see. They drink and they bludge, they sit on the couch and winge, they hate all "rich", yet they don't know how to earn a cent, because it just comes to them anyway, they don't believe you work, they think you just an asshole who doesn't deserve it, and they watch telly, and footy, and choose not to learn, because ythey get the same money driving a truck anyway.
Or how so does the taxpayers support them? let's see. We pay enormous bills stripped from our hard earned wages, and then we hear that apparently our kids don't deserve private schooling  Angry
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Reply #132 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 11:05pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:34pm:
See Torpedo, at least in a public school, your kids know who the junkies are ... if you teach them and  raise them right they should make the right choices ...

you are just a troll, end of story.
and for your information, I grew up in public school, I know the hardship of, so I think I can compare. Most kids from my class ended up in jail, on drugs, thieves, losers. The violence was unbearable, some kids committed suicide for being bullied too much.
Not every child is strong to resist ignorance and force, and it does happen a lot in public schools.
And the teachers, hm.. they really couldn't care less, you get what you pay for, teachers are no different to any other humans, if they don't get the pay, they don't work.
So if you want good public system, in the end you need to pay more money in wages to teachers and updated facilities, than what we contribute now for private schools.
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Reply #133 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 11:07pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:56pm:
Have you now gone to the left side?


Geez I hope not, he'll make the left look bad.



Looks that way!

Andrei is now a lefty!
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Reply #134 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 1:04am
 
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 8:45pm:
They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation,  Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!!  A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.


Hey, not all public schools are that bad. You just have to find a good one. As for a bad social environment, that is itself a form of education. I experienced bullying myself and I got through it and learnt something from it. You grow through adversity. Cool

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 9:15pm:
are you saying that those who choose to go to different school, (be it because they live in a demographically undesired area, or low academic standards) should not really have that choice? So if they can't afford to move to StIves - is just a tough luck?


I think this is why the Gonski reforms will be so important. If they fix up the public schools, you might not need to send your kids to a private school.

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 9:15pm:
Do you really think that all the people who send their kids to private schools are rich? Do you really think that all people who pay for private schooling are just showing off? Most people that I know struggle to pay bills, many private (particularly religious) schools sometimes even discount, or in some circumstances waive the fees completely until family recovers financially, when reasonable enough explanation provided.


They're struggling because they chose to put their kids through a private education. It's not a matter of being rich. I understand that not everyone who does it is rich. If you want to go through the tough financial road of paying for an expensive education, it's not something I would encourage because I think there's an alternative. You see, you have a choice. You don't have to choose that path. It's like when you go to a car dealership and the salesperson pressures you to buy. I didn't get a private education and yet I still went to study at university.

I don't think the government should be putting emphasis on something that isn't the only option. It sends the wrong message. A lot of people have a strong desire to put their kids through a private education and they won't accept anything less. These people think a private education is a basic necessity and I do not agree with them. Private education is not the bare minimum. Public education is. I do not want to be reinforcing a way of thinking that I think is wrong. The idea therefore is to make it harder for people to get a private education so that people will think about that choice carefully.
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