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Question: Should the GST rise to 15% to stop Govt. bankruptcy?

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Total votes: 19
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Reply #135 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 1:24am
 
The fact is folks - the GST will rise to 15%.
You've had evidence of this from both sides of politics on one TV show:

Amanda Vanstone from the Libbos
& Graham Richardson from Labor.

This was their way of letting us all know so it won't be too much of a surprise. 

There is nothing much we can do about it.
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Reply #136 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 1:25am
 
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Reply #137 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 1:25am
 
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 9:15pm:
And you decided to keep your kids in Public (either because you don't have the problems with location, or either because you preferred to save money rather than spending it on kids education, or whether you just can't afford an extra dollar for private education), but still get the 30% taxpayer's support?


It's not me. I don't have kids yet. Sad I'm looking back at my parents' approach to my education.

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 9:50pm:
Again, not a single parent I personally know, who send their kids to non-public schools is rich, all take loans to pay for education. Why? because they want their kids to have future... omG


It's a tough financial road to go through and I just don't think it's the only way to give your kids a good education. The alternative is a kind of "intensive home-schooling" outside of school hours, where you do your own teaching. I am sure there are educational shops out there that sell books with exercises in them to teach you maths and literacy. .............. Well, that was around 18 years ago, it's software, not books now. Cheesy .................. Get your kids to stop watching those cartoons. Make them spend hours reading and doing maths problems. It doesn't matter if they get sleepy. You don't allow them to do anything else until the work is done. Who knows? They might be faking it. That's what my parents did. I hated it, but that was my education. My parents forced me to learn.

I think the shop where they bought the exercise books was Dominie and apparently it's still in business.

https://www.dominie.com.au/

If the kids become resistant, you might offer lollies or pocket money as motivation, but not too much. My parents only paid me two dollars for five hours of doing maths problems, reading and studying phonics/phonetics (or whatever it was) at home. It was like working in a sweat-shop. You could also get the older kids to teach the younger kids so you don't have to deal with them all at once. Also, don't forget to work on your kids' handwriting. Sloppy and messy handwriting is not acceptable. Angry

When they become teenagers, don't allow them to have boyfriends or girlfriends. No sex or dating. Keep their social life at a minimum. No partying. This is the price you have to pay for success and if it's not financially crippling debt (from private education), it's their social life that has to suffer. Teach your kids not to follow bad examples from bad friends. My dad would constantly remind me of what he considered "low class people," despite the fact that we weren't rich. You have to enforce your standards on your kids. Life may become dull, boring or not worth living, but you have to focus on the goal. That's the reward at the end.

If you're not going to send them to private schools, you have to become your kids' worst enemy. They will hate you for it, but it will be for their own good. You have to be like Sarah Connor. My mother reminded me of her. Cheesy
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #138 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 1:25am
 
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Reply #139 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 2:34am
 
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 11:00pm:
how so what? how so they turn their lives upside down? Lets see. They drink and they bludge, they sit on the couch and winge, they hate all "rich", yet they don't know how to earn a cent, because it just comes to them anyway, they don't believe you work, they think you just an asshole who doesn't deserve it, and they watch telly, and footy, and choose not to learn, because ythey get the same money driving a truck anyway.
Or how so does the taxpayers support them? let's see. We pay enormous bills stripped from our hard earned wages, and then we hear that apparently our kids don't deserve private schooling  Angry


Well, I can see why you want a private education for your kids. You want to get away from the scum in our society, but like I said, not all public schools are that bad. There's scum for sure, but not all of our public schools are full of them.

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 11:05pm:
and for your information, I grew up in public school, I know the hardship of, so I think I can compare. Most kids from my class ended up in jail, on drugs, thieves, losers. The violence was unbearable, some kids committed suicide for being bullied too much.
Not every child is strong to resist ignorance and force, and it does happen a lot in public schools.


Hey, Torpedo. I'm sorry to hear that. The public school I went to was in the top 10% of my state when ranked against both public and private. There was still bullying in my school and even people who smoked, but not bad enough to ruin your life for good. You wouldn't commit suicide over it or turn into a thief, drug addict or bum. It was just annoying -- for most people at least. I think what you experienced was the worst case scenario (I hope). I was probably one of the worst treated people there. Strangely enough, the bullying didn't affect me until years later (after finishing my university studies, would you believe) because I was studying too hard to really care. It was only because of a few recent setbacks that those memories resurfaced. I started thinking about the embarrassing situations I got into and that was when the pain struck. I thought I was over it, but apparently they had simply been hidden away at the back of my mind as blocked memories. Pop went the weasel!

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 11:05pm:
And the teachers, hm.. they really couldn't care less, you get what you pay for, teachers are no different to any other humans, if they don't get the pay, they don't work.
So if you want good public system, in the end you need to pay more money in wages to teachers and updated facilities, than what we contribute now for private schools.


I think this is why public education needs more funding and they should shift it away from private schools. It would be better for you if you could get the rich taxpayer to pay for your kid's education, instead of you sending them to a private school and burdening yourself with crippling debt.

This web site gives you a ranking of public and private schools. It may help you choose between public and private.

http://bettereducation.com.au/SchoolRanking.aspx
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Reply #140 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 3:57am
 
Oh no not the public/private school thing again. I went to some public schools and some private schools. There wasnt that much of a difference really. Except for 1 public high school i went to in Sydney for a couple months. It was bad - nobody cared about education and well - glad i didnt have to stay there. Most of the ppl i met there went on to become drug addicts and criminals and dead ppl. Perhaps its the school torpedo was talking about.

Funding for private schools should be from the pockets of ppl that can afford it though not the government. Its just more wealthfare. If public schools had more money the bad schools like that one could be fixed up.

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Reply #141 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:27am
 
Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,
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Reply #142 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:00am
 
dingo2 wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:27am:
Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,


No public isnt private. Public is supposed to be funded by the government hence fees are way lower than private. The government though is funding private schools as well. Wealthfare. This wealthfare is the cause for the fees being so high on public schools.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #143 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:44am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:00am:
dingo2 wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:27am:
Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,


No public isnt private. Public is supposed to be funded by the government hence fees are way lower than private. The government though is funding private schools as well. Wealthfare. This wealthfare is the cause for the fees being so high on public schools.

SOB


Spot,
Private schools are a form of apartheid -
instead of skin color people are separated according to how wealthy their families are.
It encourages class warfare & denies the poor the best possible chance in life -
where they will be entrenched in poverty.

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Reply #144 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 8:17am
 
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 11:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:12pm:
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:10pm:
what's wrong with me having to choose not to be around junkies or idiots


nothing, that is your choice and I would even commend you for it, it sounds like a wise choice  ...just don't expect tax payers to pay for it.

that's odd, you expect taxpayers to pay for junkies instead? Those who choose to ruin their own lives. that's fair  Cheesy


how so?

how so what? how so they turn their lives upside down? Lets see. They drink and they bludge, they sit on the couch and winge, they hate all "rich", yet they don't know how to earn a cent, because it just comes to them anyway, they don't believe you work, they think you just an asshole who doesn't deserve it, and they watch telly, and footy, and choose not to learn, because ythey get the same money driving a truck anyway.
Or how so does the taxpayers support them? let's see. We pay enormous bills stripped from our hard earned wages, and then we hear that apparently our kids don't deserve private schooling  Angry


Is this about some ex? You seem to be on a bit of a persoanl vendetta ....

you still haven't explained how you came to the conclusion that I expect taxpayers to pay for junkies ..... ????
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Reply #145 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 8:20am
 
dingo2 wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:27am:
Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,


In Mother England it is - but not here. Public means public.
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Reply #146 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 8:21am
 
Torpedo wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 11:05pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 10:34pm:
See Torpedo, at least in a public school, your kids know who the junkies are ... if you teach them and  raise them right they should make the right choices ...

you are just a troll, end of story.
and for your information, I grew up in public school, I know the hardship of, so I think I can compare. Most kids from my class ended up in jail, on drugs, thieves, losers. The violence was unbearable, some kids committed suicide for being bullied too much.
Not every child is strong to resist ignorance and force, and it does happen a lot in public schools.
And the teachers, hm.. they really couldn't care less, you get what you pay for, teachers are no different to any other humans, if they don't get the pay, they don't work.
So if you want good public system, in the end you need to pay more money in wages to teachers and updated facilities, than what we contribute now for private schools.


Don't get upset with me because your fantasy has been shot to pieces .... you don't like the truth so you resort to name calling ... thats OK, you get used to people burying their heads in the sand on this forum

by the way, teachers generally earn less in the private sector than they do in the public ... although there is no reason to let facts get in the way of a good rant
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Reply #147 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 8:34am
 
dingo2 wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:27am:
Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,


In Mother England it might be. But here public means public.
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Reply #148 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 8:35am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:44am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:00am:
dingo2 wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:27am:
Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,


No public isnt private. Public is supposed to be funded by the government hence fees are way lower than private. The government though is funding private schools as well. Wealthfare. This wealthfare is the cause for the fees being so high on public schools.

SOB


Spot,
Private schools are a form of apartheid -
instead of skin color people are separated according to how wealthy their families are.
It encourages class warfare & denies the poor the best possible chance in life -
where they will be entrenched in poverty.



That's life. Those that have money join the clubs that lower paid workers cannot. They drive the exotic cars that others cannot afford.
It's what comes with living in a free country!!
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The Coalition won!! Now get over it!!
 
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Reply #149 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 8:36am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:44am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:00am:
dingo2 wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:27am:
Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,


No public isnt private. Public is supposed to be funded by the government hence fees are way lower than private. The government though is funding private schools as well. Wealthfare. This wealthfare is the cause for the fees being so high on public schools.

SOB


Spot,
Private schools are a form of apartheid -
instead of skin color people are separated according to how wealthy their families are.
It encourages class warfare & denies the poor the best possible chance in life -
where they will be entrenched in poverty.



That's life. Those that have money join the clubs that lower paid workers cannot. They drive the exotic cars that others cannot afford.
It's what comes with living in a free country!!
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The Coalition won!! Now get over it!!
 
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