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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #150 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:36am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 6:00am:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:27am:

Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,

No public isnt private. Public is supposed to be funded by the government hence fees are way lower than private. The government though is funding private schools as well. Wealthfare. This wealthfare is the cause for the fees being so high on public schools.

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Spot,
Private schools are a form of apartheid -
instead of skin color people are separated according to how wealthy their families are.
It encourages class warfare & denies the poor the best possible chance in life -
where they will be entrenched in poverty.

That's life. Those that have money join the clubs that lower paid workers cannot. They drive the exotic cars that others cannot afford.
It's what comes with living in a free country!!

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #151 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:43am

dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

Sorry, All you ellitist Bastards have to go with a little less, (maybe get rid of the second mobile phone) For the Good of the Country, including Liberal and Labor party supporters, just like the rest of us effected by this economic recession that got worse since the GFC.

Don't give us 15% GST tax to those of us not wasting the countrys money.

the ones wasting money are you layabout welfare-dependant slugs. the rest of us actually contribute to the country. you just TAKE from it and complain about wanting more.

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Reply #152 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:45am

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

The vast majority of them are low fee schools which are COMPLETELY UNVIABLE without govt funding. remove that funding and the vast majority of those kids are back in public schools at 30% more funding per head than currently.

Have a look at this article.

http://www.theage.com.au/data-point/private-fees-mount-as-education-costs-soar-2...

I downloaded the data and put it in a spreadsheet:

http://i35.tinypic.com/6z93k1.png

Just what exactly do you mean by "low fees?" Private school fees on average are 5 to 8 times higher than public school ones. See the data shown in the above web page. They don't seem "low" to me at all so it looks like you're being a little dishonest here. A "vast majority" of private schools cannot be charging "low fees" if on average their fees are 5 to 8 times higher than public schools, because as you know the mean/average of anything reflects the "vast majority" of whatever you're measuring. This is a feeble attempt to understate the value of private school fees.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

If you dont want to pay for my kids schooling (at a 30% discount) then I see no reason why I should pay for yours.

I should not be responsible or liable for the costs of giving your kids a more expensive education. The taxes I pay should only go to public schools. You had a choice between cheaper goods and services but chose something more expensive anyway. I will not support a kind of education I never needed myself. I will only pay for your kids' schooling if it's the same kind of education I received. I have no desire to have my taxes going to an "optional" form of education.

hey drongo... public schools don't have tuition fees. the term 'low fee' is one relative to private schools. try and keep on the same page as everyone else, okay?

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damien Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 639 Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #153 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:58am Sorry, but for some reason my comments have repeated themselves.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74520 Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #154 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:59am damien wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:58am: Sorry, but for some reason my comments have repeated themselves. I thought maybe you stuttered !!!!
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damien Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 639 Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #155 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:59am Sorry about repeated comments. They don't post and then they repeat!!
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #156 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:06am damien wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:58am: Sorry, but for some reason my comments have repeated themselves. dont worry damien its the same with most of them....havent you noticed some repeat the same thing all the time...
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #157 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:13am

damien wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 6:00am:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:27am:

Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,

No public isnt private. Public is supposed to be funded by the government hence fees are way lower than private. The government though is funding private schools as well. Wealthfare. This wealthfare is the cause for the fees being so high on public schools.

SOB

Spot,
Private schools are a form of apartheid -
instead of skin color people are separated according to how wealthy their families are.
It encourages class warfare & denies the poor the best possible chance in life -
where they will be entrenched in poverty.

That's life. Those that have money join the clubs that lower paid workers cannot. They drive the exotic cars that others cannot afford.
It's what comes with living in a free country!!

But is it in our country's interest that talented students in public schools
end up with a poor education?

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #158 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:27am

damien wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 6:00am:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:27am:

Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,

No public isnt private. Public is supposed to be funded by the government hence fees are way lower than private. The government though is funding private schools as well. Wealthfare. This wealthfare is the cause for the fees being so high on public schools.

SOB

Spot,
Private schools are a form of apartheid -
instead of skin color people are separated according to how wealthy their families are.
It encourages class warfare & denies the poor the best possible chance in life -
where they will be entrenched in poverty.

That's life. Those that have money join the clubs that lower paid workers cannot. They drive the exotic cars that others cannot afford.
It's what comes with living in a free country!!

why are people surprised that some are rich and some are less well-off? its the history of the world and wont change.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #159 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:30am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

damien wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 6:00am:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:27am:

Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,

No public isnt private. Public is supposed to be funded by the government hence fees are way lower than private. The government though is funding private schools as well. Wealthfare. This wealthfare is the cause for the fees being so high on public schools.

SOB

Spot,
Private schools are a form of apartheid -
instead of skin color people are separated according to how wealthy their families are.
It encourages class warfare & denies the poor the best possible chance in life -
where they will be entrenched in poverty.

That's life. Those that have money join the clubs that lower paid workers cannot. They drive the exotic cars that others cannot afford.
It's what comes with living in a free country!!

But is it in our country's interest that talented students in public schools
end up with a poor education?

its a question of choice. you want a free education then you can have it. If you want a better one then you have to pay for it. The govt is happier with kids in private schools because they pay less. everyone wins - except the whining losers that go on TV to complain that their local public school requires them to pay $25 for stationery and they 'cant afford it'. but they can afford cars, phones, holidays, tobacco and alcohol etc...

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #160 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 10:50am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

damien wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 6:00am:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:27am:

Back to the discussion on schools. I hate that word public school, A public school is a private school or a pay for you education one. with yearly fees,

No public isnt private. Public is supposed to be funded by the government hence fees are way lower than private. The government though is funding private schools as well. Wealthfare. This wealthfare is the cause for the fees being so high on public schools.

SOB

Spot,
Private schools are a form of apartheid -
instead of skin color people are separated according to how wealthy their families are.
It encourages class warfare & denies the poor the best possible chance in life -
where they will be entrenched in poverty.

That's life. Those that have money join the clubs that lower paid workers cannot. They drive the exotic cars that others cannot afford.
It's what comes with living in a free country!!

But is it in our country's interest that talented students in public schools
end up with a poor education?

How so? Are you saying that they can only get an education in the private sector?

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #161 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 11:08am

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 1:04am:

They're struggling because they chose to put their kids through a private education. It's not a matter of being rich. I understand that not everyone who does it is rich. If you want to go through the tough financial road of paying for an expensive education, it's not something I would encourage because I think there's an alternative. You see, you have a choice.

No, sometimes people just don't have that choice, so they'd rather move to a different school instead of continue putting up with what they have. What do you think would be more affordable, choosing private school or buying a house in a better area?
Not all private schools are equivalent to The Kings or St Josephs, some small schools are quite reasonable and yet provide better standards than average public school. Catholic schools are one example. I am not saying all private schools are amazing, I am just saying that if you were unfortunate enough to end up in the wrong place, and can't afford to move, you should be able to at least have a choice of a different school, not only the one in your area. BTW, Even Muslims prefer to send their kids to Catholic schools instead of public, if they can.
What would happen if these schools raise their fees to the overestimated level? that's right, the parents will be forced to take their kids out. Is this a good thing? Of course it's not.
And if you think that by flooding public schools with more funding you would get better results you are also wrong, all it will be is you will get more strikes in the future demanding more funding.
The funding that is provided today is really more than enough for teachers to shut up and do their work, yet, I have a friend who's child has behavioural problems, the public school demanded her to go through all kinds of tests, she cooperated, she ended up quitting her job. How does school participate? heh, they call her everytime they can't deal with the small child, after all the trouble she went through, after all the tests she had to do, they've received the funding, but are they doing anything different? Not much!
Here is your more funding for public schools.
Not saying we shouldn't fund public schools, but people are people, it's like how I told you about large organisations, they don't work, they only get paid. It's instilled in Australians. You'd have to change the attitude first before you pile them up with unnecessary funds.
Private schools, on the other hand, realise how hard it is for parents to get around with payments, so they do all they can to make sure that at least the expected standards are there, and they, not you, teach your kid.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74520 Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #162 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 11:16am Torpedo wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 11:08am: so they do all they can to make sure that at least the expected standards are there, and they, not you, teach your kid So your problem is that you don't want to have to teach your kids? You want to outsource that? Fine ... you pay for it.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #163 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 11:20am The politics of envy I believe. "If I didn't get it why should anybody else?" We have heard this from working class kids since time began.
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #164 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 11:22am

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 1:25am:

It's a tough financial road to go through and I just don't think it's the only way to give your kids a good education. The alternative is a kind of "intensive home-schooling" outside of school hours, where you do your own teaching. I am sure there are educational shops out there that sell books with exercises in them to teach you maths and literacy. .............. Well, that was around 18 years ago, it's software, not books now. Cheesy

.................. Get your kids to stop watching those cartoons. Make them spend hours reading and doing maths problems. It doesn't matter if they get sleepy. You don't allow them to do anything else until the work is done. Who knows? They might be faking it. That's what my parents did. I hated it, but that was my education. My parents forced me to learn.

Do you seriously think I don't try this? I choose private school not because I choose not to participate in my children's life, I still go through homework, make sure they read 20 min a day, etc. And our school isn't that expensive and fancy, it's just they have good friends from nice families (not rich and snobby!), their teachers are more caring than the one at public school we had, and they perform better too, because they are happier and more contented, they weren't doing as well in the public school, not because they are not intelligent, but they are more sensitive in nature, and get easily confused when distracted, by the time they learn how to deal with d*heads it will be too late. So, yes, we had to move them out of public school, mind you not the worst one, not something like I had.
Good on you that you managed to resist the stress, but not all kids are capable, you should realise it.

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Question: Should the GST rise to 15% to stop Govt. bankruptcy?
yes 4 (21.1%) no 14 (73.7%) not sure 1 (5.3%) Total votes: 19 « Created by: Bobby. on: Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm »